Episode 579 - Patty Hearst II

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh god, I wish I was Black.

ED LARSON

Oh boy!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sorry, let me just... I'm gonna get ready for the episode. Just getting ready for the episode. Listen here, sucker! You listen here, you mother!

ED LARSON

You mother grabber!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You mother forsaker! I'm sick of you, listen here, Buster Brown! Oh I wish I was Black. I wish I was Black. God! Ugh. It's real.

MARCUS PARKS

It's real. Welcome to the Last Podcast on the Left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I wish I was Black Henry Zebrowski.

MARCUS PARKS

I wish I was Black Henry Zebrowski. And I wish I was-

ED LARSON

A woman.

MARCUS PARKS

Ed Larson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We all do. We all do. And we're covering the Spinner Liberation Army today. It's a real group of Spinners.

MARCUS PARKS

So when we last left Patty Hearst, she'd finally gotten out of the closet after 57 days in captivity at the hands of the Symbionese Liberation Army. But by cleverly manipulating the SLA into believing that she'd bought into their half-baked philosophies completely, Patty had been let out of the closet and welcomed into the ranks of the SLA and was even issued her own gun.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Aren't we excited? That's how you know you're the best hostage of the group.

MARCUS PARKS

Additionally, like all the rest of them, Patty had been given a new name for the revolution. But while some of the rest had been given pseudo African names like Teko, Fahizah, and Zoya-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Technically they are African names. They're just on white people.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Patty was named after one of Che Guevara's compatriots, an East German-born Argentinian named Tania Bunke.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But this comes from the idea of the... Remember there's many different types of revolutionary. We're gonna cover all of them today. There's many different types. You got the real hardcore militant ones that won't take no for an answer. You got the ones that are in it because of the hats, right, which I think actually we miss out a lot on that, a lot of guys like the hats associated with various movements.

ED LARSON

I was hoping I had a beret stashed in my house somewhere. I was gonna wear it today.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Next week.

ED LARSON

I can find one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I say next week we go full revolutionary because again, I'm looking at Marcus, I do feel like a 17 year old girl in a college class outside of high school that's being flirted with.

MARCUS PARKS

Unfair. I see myself as more of a Berkeley professor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, teaching a 17 year old girl that's worth a lot of money.

ED LARSON

I can't wait til you graduate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But there's another stripe-

MARCUS PARKS

You're so mature! Has anyone told you how mature you are?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Unfortunately you're not mature enough to get out of Algebra II.

ED LARSON

Just counting the weeks until June.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yummy yum! I can smell you ferment. But then today we're gonna get into another special type of revolutionary, the romantic revolutionary. Because that's how people view Che Guevara and Tania.

MARCUS PARKS

Very much so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Is that they would go and they'd fight by the pueblo and they'd fight out in-

MARCUS PARKS

The pueblo? They're in fucking South Africa. Pueblo is Southwestern United States.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what I'm saying.

MARCUS PARKS

Thousands of miles away.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Where revolutions happen. They're there, right? Mixing it up.

MARCUS PARKS

In the jungle.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But then they go back to the safe part.

MARCUS PARKS

Pueblos are in the desert.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But then they go to another place that is like... Because it's a scene from Braveheart when they're at the nice river. You know what I mean? Where it's the one scene where Che Guevara is there and he's just going like aye aye aye, this revolucion, it will be moy malo, won't it be Tania? And she's there washing her German hair in the river, just going like si, Che, si. One day we will be able to kiss without the sound of machine gun fire. And he's just like si, si, when we are all liberato. Like it's that style of romance.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Side note, Patty being given the name Tania, that burned both Yolanda and her husband TeKo's collective ass because Tania Bunka was a hero of Yolanda's and TeKo's wish to be named Camillo after another Cuban revolutionary had been vetoed by Cin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Nah.

MARCUS PARKS

He's like no, fuck you. You're Teko.

ED LARSON

It's so aggravating. She just wants to be Patty.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. That's all she ever wanted to be! I wanted the number one slot! I wanted to be the ingenue! I'm supposed to be the lead! I'm fucking what's her name from Cabaret.

MARCUS PARKS

But soon after Patty was given her new name, the infamous Polaroid of Patty Hearst dressed as a revolutionary aiming a gun in front of the Symbionese Liberation Army flag, this picture was sent to the media along with Patty's declaration that she joined the SLA. The ensuing media frenzy was understandable given the seemingly quick turnaround from kidnapping victim to compatriot. But mostly the public jumped to one of two sides. Either Patty had forsaken her country and family for radical political ideologies completely of her own free will, as it seemed many young people in America had, or she'd been brainwashed. Very few thought that Patty might be playing along just to survive. But those numbers included her father, Randy Hearst.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Nobody liked the Hearst family. There was nobody who enjoyed... Even fellow billionaires hated the Hearst family. So there was nobody there that wanted to give them any shred of credit. I really do think that especially when it comes to Patty, everybody already had written her off as soon as it had happened. And so they saw the picture, they couldn't wrap their minds around that she might be in on this because it was a very good piece of propaganda by the SLA.

ED LARSON

It's almost like if you grow up in a castle, it's hard to relate to people.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what I heard? I actually forgot about this. Do you know really, I guess this is more rumor than anything of why William Randolph Hearst was so maddened by Citizen Kane. Because there was a rumor, and I forgot about this, is that Rosebud was the nickname he gave his mistress' clit. That is completely true.

ED LARSON

That's not true at all.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Look it up. Look up the rumor.

MARCUS PARKS

The rumor. Oh the rumor is true.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Rosebud is Hearst's mistress' clit.

ED LARSON

I would put clitoris for this one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, no. If the computer doesn't know what a clit is, how am I supposed to? Continue. I'll continue to research.

MARCUS PARKS

Now the near 60 days between the kidnapping and the photo had been a hellish and strange journey for Randy Hearst and his wife Catherine. And with that Polaroid everything very suddenly got even worse. And while Patty certainly had the harder time, her family went through their own bizarre ordeals over the course of the nearly two years that Patty was in captivity. I cannot stress that enough, almost two years, over 500 days.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh and so there is a rumor. There is definitely a rumor, I'm saying. It just types in, it depends on what you type. About whether or not... I said 'Hearst rosebud mistress clit'. And some say oh it's not real but some say it is.

ED LARSON

I just think that while we're doing the show you shouldn't be googling clits.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Why? This is my job. This is my job. This is what I'm here to do. I find the clits. I find the clits! I report the clits!

MARCUS PARKS

Well on the night that Patty was kidnapped, Randy and Catherine Hearst were in Washington DC attending the Hearst Foundation's Senate Youth Program.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I hope when I grow up to be a senator, I too can have sex with a gay prostitute from the money of the US government they're giving me. Thank you. Hear ye, hear ye!

MARCUS PARKS

He's gonna grow up to be a fine Republican. A fine Republican! Well they were asleep in their hotel room when the phone rang at 1:15 am. It was Anne, Patty's younger sister, and she told them that she just got off the phone with a member of the Berkeley Police Department, a guy named Sergeant Dick Burger.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I bet you that didn't give him a bad attitude at all.

ED LARSON

Oh my god. Because everyone knows dicks are hot dogs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Everybody knows. Sorry. Mama, why'd you do this to me?

ED LARSON

Change our name to Hotdog.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

My name is a lie.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Anne told them what Sergeant Dick Burger had just told her, that Patty was missing and Steven Weed was in the hospital. Anne hung up-

ED LARSON

Hold on, we got Burger and Weed?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And Weed, dude. Eddie, just try to focus.

ED LARSON

It's like this is made for me.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Try to focus on the information. Just think about the words.

ED LARSON

Fucking Weed Burger, dude.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Focus on the information.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Anne hung up the phone and no more than 10 minutes later the FBI was already calling to say that they were coming over to Randy Hearst's home to set up shop. See while Randy Hearst was more of a family man than a businessman, he was still a Hearst.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So after Randy put in a call directly to the head of the FBI, a 35 year veteran of the bureau named Dwayne Eskridge was at Randy's house within just three hours. He'd showed up to bug all the phones and attach tape recorders to each line in case the kidnappers called.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But if you could, honestly what I would ask for you to do is delete all the things I talk about. At all. It's only because no one should know the secret of rosebud.

MARCUS PARKS

Fun fact about Dwayne proving further that the Patty Hearst kidnapping is the Forrest Gump of true crime stories, Dwayne was the first person to issue a Mayday warning when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They got every... Well as we go through the story you kinda hear that Randy Hearst goes on, we'll cover this more next episode, but he goes on an adventure of all his own. And he needs some of the top police officers in American history.

ED LARSON

As he should have.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. But also Randy Hearst becomes eventually the first Hearst person to ever speak to a poor person.

MARCUS PARKS

Except for Patty.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, except for Patty. And so we'll get to his adventure next week. But yeah, it's very hilarious what he learns and he expands the Forrest Gump storyline.

ED LARSON

Also they could have made that call a little earlier.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually he got in trouble for calling it too early.

ED LARSON

Oh really?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he got in trouble because they're like you didn't use the code. And he's like what fucking code? The planes are right there! Now even though Dwayne was working with out of date equipment that betrayed the public's image of the FBI as a crack team of super cops, he was still damn good at what he did and even knew all the usual suspects when it came to kidnapping cases. For example, while monitoring calls to the Hearst residents after the news broke, there was a call from a woman claiming to be Patty Hearst. But after hearing the voice, Dwayne told the agent on the line to hang up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, it's me, it's your daughter. It's Patty Hearst. (farting) Yeah, sorry, I'm sitting on a ziploc bag. I'm sorry, I'm sitting on a big inflatable cushion.

MARCUS PARKS

Well this woman was a kidnap groupie from Texas who was known to call the families of kidnap victims anytime they made the news. And Dwayne knew exactly who this was after just a couple of sentences. Unfortunately for Dwayne though, the SLA would never make a call to the Hearst residence.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They didn't have a dime.

MARCUS PARKS

Literally a dime to use to call.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, a dime.

MARCUS PARKS

They're not gonna call collect.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, no.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. This is a call from-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The Symbionese Liberation Army.

MARCUS PARKS

Do you accept? Now within just two days of the kidnapping, news had already leaked to all the major outlets that something had happened to the granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst. And by that Thursday, a dozen members of the press had already set up their equipment outside Randy Hearst's home just in case this story turned out to be something big. And indeed when the first SLA communique was issued three days after Patty was kidnapped, the press presence grew from a scrum to an encampment.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What does that mean?

MARCUS PARKS

It went from small to big.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh okay.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

When you said from scrum to an encampment, it feels like we're just like I just see a bunch of hot guys in a field all licking each other's balls.

ED LARSON

Scrum is like when they fight each other.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Eat your scrum. I thought eating your scrum was like licking a guy's assholes til you got shit all over your nose.

ED LARSON

That's how you win in rugby.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I didn't know. They should get some mints.

MARCUS PARKS

Well winnebagos and TV trucks lined the streets and the press was in such a state of constant frenzy that journalists nailed portable telephones to trees so they could call in stories as fast as possible. Meanwhile authorities were also pumping Steven Weed for information because he was in the hospital for five days because of the brutal assault he'd suffered during the kidnapping.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah man, there must have been like nine of them, dude. They came from every direction. They came from the ceiling, man. Listen, if you could just top my IV off with some tank, man. Okay dude? I'm fucking dying here, dude. It's harsh, it's harsh as hell in here, man, without my fucking stuff. Tripping out here, man. I think I'm getting sick. Could you die of weed withdrawal, man? Give me a TV, dude. Is the price right? Do we know?

MARCUS PARKS

Well from Steven's description of a paramilitary-style assault perpetrated by a mix of Black and white assailants along with the neighbors descriptions of a well coordinated escape, the police and the FBI were collectively having a bit of an 'oh fuck' moment.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. Because right at the gate it seems like oh man, we're dealing with an elite paramilitary group that is... We might actually have a problem here.

MARCUS PARKS

Big problem.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

See along with the testimonies, police noticed that the kidnapping shared a similar MO that had been present at a murder that had occurred just a few months before. See the bullets recovered at Patty's apartment building had a distinct scent of almonds, indicating that they had been packed with cyanide prior to being loaded in the gun which is fucking stupid because if you get hit, it's not gonna... The fucking powder is gonna burn away all the fucking cyanide.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't understand where they even got the idea of cyanide bullets. Because what they did was that they drilled a hole into each individual bullet and filled it with cyanide themselves. Which is again not smart.

ED LARSON

It makes the bullet worse for sure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It doesn't do anything. It destroys the integrity of the bullet. And it also is like what are we doing here.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Also just use the cyanide as cyanide.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That would require you becoming a master poisoner.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Master poisoners are hard.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

You can't just put cyanide on a pizza?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No dude, you put antifreeze in Gatorade.

MARCUS PARKS

Well those same type of idiotic cyanide bullets had been recovered from the body of Oakland school superintendent Marcus Foster the previous November. So before the sun even came up on the day after the kidnapping of Patty Hearst, authorities were reasonably sure that the people responsible were the Symbionese Liberation Army.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Only a specific kind of idiot would do this.

MARCUS PARKS

Today's episode will therefore be devoted entirely to the SLA's almost accidental formation, including the people who made up its ranks and the crimes they committed on the way to kidnapping Patty Hearst.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And we put together a large amount of sources just to track this story. Because what we've realized is that not a lot of people have fully tracked the actual formation of the SLA. And then we realized oh, the Jeffrey Toobin book is all from the perspective of the people inside of the SLA.

MARCUS PARKS

Mostly, I mean-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's telling their side of the story.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean we did find some of our sources because like Carolina did a hell of a lot of work in finding these disparate sources.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They all have their own books.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And like reading all these books and helping me put it all together. But yeah. Willie Wolfe had a book about him. Camilla Hall, there was a book about her.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. There was just the formation of the SLA, 'The Life and Death of the SLA' is the book-

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. No, there were two books on the SLA that were written in the 70s but had gone out of print.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. And we got all of them. We got all of them!

MARCUS PARKS

Even fucking Camilla Hall had a book about her.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Like it's incredible. So we put together this entire... Special fucking huge thanks you to Carolina for helping us put all of this shit together for the story that we have today, a story that really hasn't been told in 50 years.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I mean there's a bunch of different... Not our way. Not our fucking way, dude.

ED LARSON

How were you able to determine like what was bullshit and what was not?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You can't.

MARCUS PARKS

Well you can't but you can cross-reference.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And you can see like if it shows up a couple of times in each book, if the same thing shows up in two different books, then you can kind of see like okay, that's probably closer to the truth.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You can look at like the character of these people and you can kind of surmise-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Marcus, don't you dare give these people the tools to properly research things. All right? We can't allow these people to know how to do this on their own because it needs to come from us. But what we do here is we do try to match up what everybody says about the same fucking thing as much as we can.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because you find out there is literally no such thing as objective truth.

MARCUS PARKS

And it's very difficult in a story like this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. The only one who tells the truth is me. That's how you know it's an objective view, because I'm saying it. Otherwise...

MARCUS PARKS

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HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes!

ED LARSON

Yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

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HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ja!

ED LARSON

And you're in it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, man. I've been in Germany for like a year, me and Carolina both. It's been awesome.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I see you in the office everyday so.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He's not in Germany, yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Metaphorically we're in Germany.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's like the Epcot version of Germany.

ED LARSON

Which I like.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's fine.

MARCUS PARKS

Now the people that made up the SLA weren't all that different from a lot of the radicals that were banging around Oakland and Berkeley in the early to mid 70s. There were a lot of white people talking about violent revolution but very few were willing to take it to the next level.

ED LARSON

Dude, and I'll tell you what, I was looking at some footage of people like rioting back in the 70s and 60s vs now.

MARCUS PARKS

Woof.

ED LARSON

Do you know that they would like go in like wearing like football helmets and shit. They were ready to go.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well now they know how to protest better than ever because all the kids are being taught how to avoid and obstruct school shooters. So they're actually using those skills against the police.

ED LARSON

It's pretty awesome.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is very interesting.

ED LARSON

Militarize the children.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They become the child... That's the child military. Which we should think about because they won't see it coming. We dress up a bunch of military officers as little orphans and we drop them a bunch of places and everyone thinks they're like oh well let's help these lost children. And then the kids go like welcome to America! Just fucking light all these guys up. That'd be fucking awesome.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep.

ED LARSON

Henry's turning into Idi Amin.

MARCUS PARKS

Has anyone ever thought about using kids as soldiers? I can't believe I'm just now coming up with this idea.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, I'm saying everybody loves reboots.

MARCUS PARKS

Well honestly I don't think it's likely that anyone in the SLA would have become as violent as they did had they not found someone to be violent for. Just like how I doubt Susan Atkins would have found herself writing the word pig in the house of a murdered pregnant woman using said pregnant woman's blood had it not been for Charles Manson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But if she had Facebook then, I definitely could have seen her writing the word pig on a pregnant woman's Facebook wall.

MARCUS PARKS

You got me on that one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You got me hard. But the difference between the Manson family and the Symbionese Liberation Army is that while Manson shaped his followers into what he wanted them to be, the members of the SLA shaped their leader into who they wanted to follow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Reading this much material from the inside of the SLA, you can really see a disparate group of idiots come together and kind of create the perfect idiot evil soup for the SLA to be itself. They really do all throw stuff in together.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. See these were people who had no real direction in life but still wanted to do some good in this world. Or at least their idea of being good because no bad guy in politics ever thinks of themselves as the bad guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, that's why the best villains we have, even now we talk about like in fiction our favorite villains are the ones that have like a purpose, right. Like they believe that they're strong of purpose. No one starts off as a villain, no one grows up wanting to be a junkie.

ED LARSON

I think Mengele knew he was a villain.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(giggling) Like little laughter being like (German accent) oof, Mengele, this one's fucked up.

MARCUS PARKS

But these people needed a purpose. But as we'll see, the SLA's political philosophy demanded that a non white person lead the revolution. But once they found that person, the revolution could commence. But the story of how this loose confederation of activists, some acquaintances, some close friends, some ex-lovers, this all starts in the unlikeliest of places with the unlikeliest of people.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's me.

MARCUS PARKS

This story starts in prison with Willie Wolfe, aka Kahjoh. Although Willie Wolfe was not himself a prisoner, nor was he a prison guard.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I wish I could have been. That's all I wanted to be.

MARCUS PARKS

Kahjoh was just some dumb college kid. And by dumb college kid I mean like he was very intelligent but he had zero fucking common sense.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly I went to go see that Dave Matthews Band and honestly the rhythms are a lot for me. I went to see, I saw it, I was like this is too much, I have to leave. And I had to sit with my white noise machine in my SUV for several hours just to come down.

ED LARSON

Can we get rid of the violin already?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It sounds like a woman screaming and I hate that!

MARCUS PARKS

Well Willie Wolfe was about the whitest kid you could imagine. He came from Connecticut, he was a Yale legacy, and he'd been both a varsity swimmer and the editor of his school newspaper at a fancy ass Massachusetts prep school.

ED LARSON

So he was sick of it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. He's going honestly guys, I've done being white at the top that I can do it. All right? I was the number one white in my whole family. And now it's time for me to be so good at being white I can make myself Black.

MARCUS PARKS

But after a gap year in Europe, Willie enrolled at the University of California in Berkeley where he quickly found that the revolutionary ideas of people like Che Guevara, his eventual hero, were highly appealing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

In fact Willie came to be such a Che fan boy that he began dressing like Che, wearing a beret, smoking big dumb cigars.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(coughing) You guys want any maduros? (coughing) You guys like plantains? I do too. A little sweet for me though.

MARCUS PARKS

Willie Wolfe, also like many young radicals, became heavily involved in protesting for the rights of Black people in America. But let's be clear that this isn't why we're making fun of these people.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, it's just the slippery slope that led them to where they were. But it's not because of their actual beautiful leanings.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The idea of fighting for Black people is nice.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, there were plenty of whites who valiantly fought and in some cases died for the rights of others. But while Willie would die, he was in no way valiant. Now upon arrival at Berkeley-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's all of us. That's just how I feel about each one of us.

MARCUS PARKS

We'll all die but we are not valiant.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now upon arrival at Berkeley, Willie soon found his way to a loosely organized commune called the Peking Man House. This commune was so named partly as a tongue in cheek reference to Maoist politics and partly as a nod to the egg roll cart the residents ran on the Berkeley campus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Marcus, what's the difference between Maoism and Marxism?

MARCUS PARKS

What is the difference between Maoism and Marxism?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think it's letters. I've learned more about dialectical materialism and various things inside... I actually want to say thank you to some of the people send me very good emails. Understanding some stuff where how like dialectical materialism is about the idea that societies are driven by actions, not ideas like a lot of people thought. And I do think that but luckily what's great is that the SLA was wrong about all of it. So I actually then didn't have to know.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. They were just big on rhetoric and yes, but then everything that they believed eventually was wrong.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They didn't do it right.

MARCUS PARKS

They did everything wrong. Now the people who lived at Peking Man House were actually serious revolutionaries who were associated with the largest, most radical activist group in northern California at the time, Venceremos, which means overcome.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, cool.

ED LARSON

That happens sometimes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Julie's been out of town.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, you overcome. Nothing's like that third, just being like now I'm just disgusting. What am I even jerking off to? Just jerked off to like an old picture of Nancy Pelosi just because it was there, just to do it.

MARCUS PARKS

See Venceremos was a merger of two groups who were splinter groups of other groups that had splintered off from the splintering of the Students for a Democratic Society whose 30,000 members had splintered in 1969 when everything was falling apart. Got it?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure.

ED LARSON

Got it. They wanted to teach the Ninja Turtles.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Perfect. Again, he's getting some of the words.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But splintering aside, Venceremos was an organization of mostly white people that prided itself on street fights with the police. And they were not a group that shied away from using guns or at least shied away from owning guns.

ED LARSON

Man, street fight, it's such a different time man.

MARCUS PARKS

Man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it is.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Street fights with the police? And they're still a group?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well because now it's actually more so... Sadly we kind of see it on the other side, it kind of reminds me a little bit of kind of what the Proud Boys do in a way where they go to just fight people.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

In other words, Venceremos was willing to use violence to achieve their goals. But the kicker with Venceremos was that even though they were predominantly white, their creed demanded that the white members of the left should submit to dominant Black and minority leadership. This idea would become essential to the ethos of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it does make sense. The idea is for white people to use their privilege and their natural protections and use it to kind of safely harbor people of color within the movement and move them forward and have it about using that privilege to do it. But they were focused on it. And Kahjoh... Kaju?

MARCUS PARKS

Kaju.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And Kaju-

MARCUS PARKS

Let's just say Willie Wolfe for now.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Willie.

MARCUS PARKS

Willie.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Willie was not that.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It's like it's okay to march in a Black Lives Matter march but not to speak.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, we sit there and hold space.

MARCUS PARKS

Now by the spring of 1972, Venceremos was, you guessed it, starting to splinter.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's hard to keep them together.

MARCUS PARKS

Because there were disagreements on whether they should focus on mass organization or straight up terrorism. One of the people debating all this, leaning heavily towards terrorism, was Willie Wolfe, aka Kahjoh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We'll come from everywhere! We'll come from the montagnas, we'll come from the junglos, we'll come from everywhere and they won't see us coming no matter what they think. Right, boys? Come on! Let's get them!

ED LARSON

Yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

Now at this point Willie Wolfe was still enrolled at UC Berkeley and was wanting to do a school project on Black men in prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Can I do one on Black men in prison? Excuse me, teacher! Teacher, teacher! I want to do one on Black men in prison! No but it is philosophical. It was a good thing.

MARCUS PARKS

So a resident at Peking, in one of those casual suggestions in history that end up being extremely consequential, he suggested that Willie Wolfe attend one of the cultural nights that were being held at Vacaville Prison. Now Vacaville was a prison that often seemed more like a hospital or at least that's how it was in the 70s. The warden was a psychiatrist and most of the inmates were there on good behavior assignments. This was a prison with a little more freedom for people who do favors, which is why Vacaville is where Ed Kemper still rests his head every night at the age of 75.

ED LARSON

That's a big head.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I could smell the brill cream.

MARCUS PARKS

Fucking three quarters of a century with old bumblebutt.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's loving it in there.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But when Willie Wolfe started going to Vacaville, Ed Kemper had not yet arrived.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sad.

MARCUS PARKS

He was still about a year away. Now Willie Wolfe found his way into Vacaville through a teaching assistant in the Afro-American division of Berkeley's ethnic studies department, a guy named Colton Westbrook. He was signing up tutors for a new self-help educational program held in the prison library. Westbrook was working with a Black inmate group called the Black Cultural Association, the BCA, which was founded to help Black prisoners deal with the unique problems that confronted them inside and outside of prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was like a friendlier environment for guys who didn't necessarily fit into any of the various associations that run prison yards.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Vacaville is also a different type of place.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But it's still there.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They still have the fucking, what was it? The AN, Aryan Nation, they have that, they have different groups, like they have various gangs essentially, prison gangs. Like normally you try to fit into one. But then the BCA was kind of created as a prisoner-led educational system to kind of basically keep their noses clean.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

To help them kind of find more intellectual pursuits that will help them outside of prison.

ED LARSON

But it just seems like a place where you're not gonna get your ass kicked on a daily basis.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the idea. It's like for people who want to learn. I actually think it's a fantastic idea and I think more and more prisons who can do stuff like that, it would be great.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Vacaville also it was much more possible there because if you fucked up in Vacaville, like if you caused any disturbance, you were gone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Like if you fucked up, if you got into a fight, you're fucking out.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But still prison gangs are gonna form no matter what you do.

ED LARSON

Oh of course.

MARCUS PARKS

Now the BCA was not a particularly militant or radical organization. It was mostly about rehabilitation, with the idea of returning a more responsible person to the community by establishing communication between inmates and Black communities on the outside. In addition, they held twice weekly tutoring sessions to help educate inmates. On the cultural side of things, meetings opened with a clenched fist salute to the flag of the Republic of New Africa and a chant in Swahili.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow, this is exciting.

MARCUS PARKS

But the stylistic touches weren't really the point of the BCA. The BCA was about self- improvement. But those ritual trappings were fascinating to white visitors like Willie Wolfe.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I feel like I'm in White Men Can't Jump. I love this. This is real! This is very, very real!

MARCUS PARKS

After attending his first meeting with the BCA as an observer, Willie found a culture that would fascinate him for the rest of his short life. He soon became one of the guys who tutored BCA members. And before long, White Willie was bringing the intense ideas of Venceremos to BCA members.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, all right. So first of all, so happy to meet you. Love meeting a prison, that's been honestly, it's a big deal for me. But I'm gonna say right now the first thing you should have done when you met me, fella, punch me in the face. Because I'm the problem. Right, guy? It's me. So come on. First up! All right, right here. Some sweet chin music, come on. Come on, hit me! Get me!

ED LARSON

Can I hold your pocket?

MARCUS PARKS

Well that's the thing, these prisoners were also using Willie for their own purposes. And in fact he was like a mascot, he was a fool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They used him as a tool. Like he was the first one and they're all like oh this guy will get us anything we want.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he'll bring it over here. And I don't feel like everybody in the BCA was trying to like milk other people for shit.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's just what happens. You're in prison. That guy can get me stuff outside of prison and he's going to and he's super excited to do it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But while most people rejected the ideas that Willie Wolfe was bringing in, one in particular was very interested in what Willie had to say. That member was Donald DeFreeze, whom the world would come to know as Cinque Mtume, aka Cin, leader of the Symbionese Liberation Army. Now one thing that Cin did share with Charles Manson was that they were both lifelong criminals. Starting in his teenage years with breaking into parking meters and stealing cars, Cin would spend much of his life either in jail, on probation, or on the run. And much of his crimes would involve weapon possession. In 1964 for example, Cin was hitchhiking along the San Bernardino freeway but was arrested after police found a sharpened butter knife, a sawed off rifle, and a tear gas pencil bomb in his suitcase.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That was the one thing about him that I found interesting. If you read the book 'The Life and Death of the SLA', he does kind of start off like how do you put it? Life never went right for him.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was always kind of messed up and kind of involved in various criminal associations. But the worst part honestly was his fascination with bombs and that he did have a immediate fascination with bombs.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And you're like I feel like the cops will work with many things but not bombs.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Especially when you're just so willy nilly with them, they're just in your pocket.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, they're just out in a bag, dude.

MARCUS PARKS

That's the thing. Three years later, he ran a red light on a bicycle and when he was searched, cops found a homemade bomb in his pocket as well as a second bomb and a pistol in the bike's basket. His story was that he just found all this shit and was trying to sell all of it to help out his family.

ED LARSON

Oh I'm just trying to sell these bombs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah.

ED LARSON

It's no big deal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh no, these bombs aren't for me.

ED LARSON

They're for sale!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're for my customers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, no. I'm distributing bombs, that's it. I'm like a dealer for bombs. But that's not illegal, I never saw that anywhere.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the bombs and the gun got him three years probation but six months later, Cin was arrested for his first violent crime. After paying a sex worker $10, Cin engaged in her services, then pulled out a pistol, demanding the money he just paid her in addition to everything else she had.

ED LARSON

Rude.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Bad guy.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Cin was banking on this woman not going to the cops but she immediately went to the cops. And when the authorities caught up to Cin, they found both the pistol which was stolen and a cache of more stolen weapons in the trunk of his car. That's when Cin turned snitch and led police to an accomplice who had 200 stolen guns in his possession. It's rumored that Cin remained an informant because he did not go to jail for robbing the sex worker, nor did he do time for the veritable crime spree that immediately followed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

My take is that he was absolutely a police informant.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that that followed him to jail.

MARCUS PARKS

It's the only thing that makes sense.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Otherwise they would have just beat him to death.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well yes. I think that he flipped and I think that he again, unlike his hero George Jackson, Cinque was very morally weak.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. Between 1968-1969 Cin was arrested for burglary, he kidnapped a rabbi and demanded a $5000 ransom from his synagogue, he was caught on top of a bank with two pistols, an eight inch dagger, and a hand grenade.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm just hanging out! Just enjoying myself, it's a nice sunny day.

MARCUS PARKS

And he was wounded in a gun battle outside of a Bank of America branch in Los Angeles.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It might have been the one right around here.

MARCUS PARKS

It might have been that one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I bet you.

ED LARSON

The Bank of America over here had that big shooting in the 80s.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. I feel like that's exactly what we're talking about.

MARCUS PARKS

No, this is 1968.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa! There had to have been multiple.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well what finally sent Cin to prison was when he pistol-whipped a Hawaiian tourist and stole a check from her purse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm angry even thinking about it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Then got arrested when he tried cashing the check.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Leave our tourists alone.

ED LARSON

Yeah, man.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Taking everything into account, Cin was given five years to life. But since he was probably an informant, he was sent to the relatively cushy Vacaville Prison at the age of 30. So he's about 8-10 years older than most of the rest of the people. Like he's the oldest person in the SLA.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And remember that because remember I do feel like... Why did this form? These kids, they are like... I know you object to the term kids because legally they are adults but they're college kids.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They really don't know their ass from their elbow. They're deeply ensconced in reading which makes a lot of sense and they're very, very inspired. When they go to meet Cinque, you gotta remember what we looked... I think about that sometimes too. Natalie was looking at a picture of her at 30 years old yesterday and I looked at it and I was like oh when you were a baby. She's like yep, at 30. And I was just like holy shit. I'm like at that point. I'm at that point where the 10 year gap is real.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A 30 year old to a 20 year old looks like a fucking... Like you're on Mount Rushmore.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Cin was a model prisoner at Vacaville because you had to be to stay there. And he soon became active in the Black Cultural Association, the BCA, where Willie Wolfe thought he'd finally found his in to Black culture. Now just like a lot of guys in the BCA did and as all members of the SLA would later do, Donald DeFreeze changed his name and took 'Cinque' from the man who led the revolt aboard the slave ship Amistad. After shortening Cinque to Cin for his day to day, he began giving lecture-type speeches during the Friday night meetings of the BCA. And when it came time to elect a new chairman, Cin volunteered himself as a candidate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now just a little bit, a couple of dynamics here. Cinque also when he started coming through, one of the identities he tried for a while was like a pastor. So he went through various identities coming up. So we know that he was in search of a place that he belonged.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And when he got to jail, he first started and he kind of sent the lay of the land. And then he started hearing the, what do you call? Like the theory about like leftist concepts. And he had a real hard time digesting Marx, like a lot of people do. But then when he found George Jackson he was like oh this is kind of like a simplified thing. Like it's more simplified, it's direct, it's passion. 'Blood in my Eye' is a beautiful book.

MARCUS PARKS

And we'll get to 'Blood in my Eye' here in a second.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. But this was like all right, I'll get into this. But imagine this. You show up at the BCA. These are guys that have been in jail, a lot of them for years.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They've been running this BCA thing for a long time. DeFreeze rolls up and he's immediately like y'all have been waiting for me. Just being like you guys don't know what you got here. The guys showed up, everybody be ready for Cinque. And he starts to go like get really, really involved but he's doing the classic Anders Breivik style I can't just be a member of this group.

MARCUS PARKS

I have to be the leader.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I have to be the leader.

MARCUS PARKS

Now from what we can tell, it's during these elections that Willie Wolfe first became aware of Cin. Because in Willie's journals he jotted down that one of the candidates was a con named DeFreeze. That's Cin's real last name. Cin however not only lost the election but came in third.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the second loser.

MARCUS PARKS

This was partly because Cin rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, not least the Black women visitors who also attended BCA meetings. They were just fucking creeped out by Cin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well it's because he was an extremely abusive man to every woman that was in his life.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

ED LARSON

Also I know that you're like taking on the name of this great person but like Cin is like a bad thing to call yourself.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well a lot of people would... Well it's also cool because it's the opposite of what you do.

MARCUS PARKS

But like any sore loser, Cin actually threatened to sue the BCA-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Because the outgoing chairman had spread the rumor that Cin was a snitch.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He definitely was a snitch.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm pretty certain that he was.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm almost positive. I mean he was definitely a snitch when he turned over that guy that had the 200 guns.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let's just say it don't stop. Like once it works for you once-

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then you kind of are in a situation where now unfortunately... Then the cops, what's fun about them is they catch you in a trap too.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So now you're sort of also kind of forced to stay an informant. And so yeah, he's fucked.

MARCUS PARKS

Yup.

ED LARSON

He admitted to selling bombs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. And the only other person we know who admits to sell bombs is EddieTunes at eddietunes.com.

ED LARSON

Eddietunes.com. That's right, baby, that's right. I'll write a joke about nothing.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the compromise to avoid the so-called lawsuit, Cin was given his own discussion group called Unisight.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Thank you.

MARCUS PARKS

Which would bizarrely focus its study on the dynamics of the Black family.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Even though he was a fucking absentee father and just an all around bad person.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. The first outsiders Cin asked to join his group was the very white Willie Wolfe.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You got it, mister!

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What do you need? Where do I tie the durag? Oh, I'm sorry, is that offensive? I'm extremely sorry! Oh god, I wish I was Black so that I'd know! I just wanna know!

ED LARSON

Can I touch your hair?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Did you know that rosebud was Hearst's mistress' clit? I just wanna tell you fun things.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Willie, he had just begun to bring in other young white revolutionaries to Vacaville prison to quote unquote "tutor" Black inmates. These would be the members of the SLA. The first white brought to Vacaville was Willie's friend from the Peking Man House, Russ Little, who had come to be known in the SLA as Osi.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, everybody put your hands together! We got Osi in the house!

ED LARSON

Hi!

MARCUS PARKS

Like most of the white members of the SLA , 8.5 out of 10, Russ Little came from a boring middle class background and found his identity in radical left wing politics. That was pretty much every single one of these people-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure.

MARCUS PARKS

Is that they made radical left wing politics their entire identity.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, of course. Because again, it's really exciting, a lot of it's very, very interesting and compelling and I think that it does open your mind and they're also very young.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And also it's 1972, 1973.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's very fresh.

ED LARSON

It's very popular.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Very.

MARCUS PARKS

It's cool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's very cool.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but that's the thing is that this=

ED LARSON

And stinky.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, man.

MARCUS PARKS

This is when it gets dirty. Because in 1969, a lot of the legitimate groups like fall apart and then once you get into the 70s it starts getting a lot more violent, it starts getting a lot stranger.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Serious.

MARCUS PARKS

And it starts getting a lot more serious.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So it really is, like it's dangerous to be into this shit in 1972-1975.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And again, cool and sexy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

ED LARSON

And it's weird because they're so liberal but yet they're also like down with the Hells Angels.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well it's because they don't understand.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But although Russ Little... Well that's the thing. I think they just didn't stay late enough at the Hells Angels parties.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once it got to like 11 pm.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, you get that feeling.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, like ooh, I think it might be time to go.

MARCUS PARKS

But although Russ Little was already radicalized by the time he arrived in California from Florida, he became even more so while living at Peking Man House and soon became laser focused on the plight of prisoners thanks to Willie Wolfe. See it was their belief that all prisoners were inherently political prisoners and that every prisoner in the system, no matter what the crime, was a potential soldier and the revolution to come.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I think it's really about that. It's a potential soldier.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because I do think that there were many people in the prison system. As now, we know that it's now a politicized environment and it's always been.

MARCUS PARKS

No, I mean we worked with the Last Prisoner Project-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

With our weed for forever.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're still working with them, we're still an ally with them.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Yeah, Eddie's done a lot of shit with prisons.

ED LARSON

That's right, I love them.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And so I do believe... He loves them! Because again the walkouts, just go to the mess hall. They're right there, he gets to go back.

MARCUS PARKS

Well yeah. Any prisoner, child molester, that's a fucking soldier. Bestiality, there's your soldier.

ED LARSON

How long could you really go away for bestiality?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey man, long enough to join a cult in jai.

ED LARSON

Asking for a friend.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's so tragic bus!

MARCUS PARKS

Well these ideas were discussed in talks that Willie Wolfe would give at Peking House inbetween screenings of anti-war films. These films were supplied by his roommate and an actual Black guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know one! Here he is, he's right here!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

We have to live together.

MARCUS PARKS

His name was Chris Thompson. But one night Chris screened a propaganda film from Hanoi.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

These fucking nerds, man.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're just watching propaganda films and they're like this is amazing. Which I do understand.

ED LARSON

This was like you at Contact in the Desert.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know all these people.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the climax featured a Vietnamese woman shooting down an American bomber single- handedly after her baby was blown to bits by American bombs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Excellent.

MARCUS PARKS

The whole room erupted into cheers as the plane went down. But the loudest voice belonged to Chris Thompson's casual girlfriend. Her name was Patricia Soltysik, aka Mizmoon, aka Zoya. In less than a year, she would cofound the Symbionese Liberation Army while holed up in her apartment with Donald DeFreeze, aka Cinque Mtume.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, man. Zoya is the scary one.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Now Patty Hearst described Mizmoon as difficult to know and even more difficult to like once you knew her. And everything she did was aimed at her personal goal of proving that women could be just as horrible and violent as men.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Awesome!

MARCUS PARKS

By 1972 she dropped out of Berkeley completely, telling her friends that no one is free until everyone is free. Wherever there is injustice, you will find her. Wherever there is suffering, she'll be there! Wherever liberty is threatened, you'll find Mizmoon! Now Mizmoon was a pet name given to her by her ex-girlfriend Camilla Hall, who would one day be known in the SLA as Gabi. And also she legally changed her name to Mizmoon.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

She did. To be difficult.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Now it's one word, right?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, one word.

ED LARSON

It's not Ms. Moon.

MARCUS PARKS

No, it's Mizmoon. M-I-Z-M-O-O-N.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, Ms. Moon sounds like the lady who runs the bodega.

MARCUS PARKS

But while Mizmoon was bisexual, Camilla was gay. And the only time she knew happiness was when she was living as an openly gay woman with Mizmoon in Berkeley. Now their relationship eventually ended but even though Camilla did believe in revolution and justice and everything that went with it-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All that horseshit.

MARCUS PARKS

She chose to join the SLA simply because that was the only way to stay close to Mizmoon.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes.

MARCUS PARKS

This inability to let go would only lead to more misery and eventually a horrible death.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I think a lot of people could learn from that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Let go.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

In relationships. Let go.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't hold onto a revolutionary. All right? They're choosing the revolution. They're not choosing you, they're not choosing the cat and the U-Haul. They're not choosing... You can't go with them to the revolution. You can't change a revolution into a Subaru nation. Revolution is not leading that.

ED LARSON

There's plenty of fish in the sea. And that's not a bad joke about vaginas.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're disgusting. You're a bad person.

ED LARSON

I said it's not. It's not.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're a bad man and you're not an ally!

MARCUS PARKS

Now Mizmoon was introduced to another friend of Willie Wolfe's named Nancy Ling Perry, who had come to be known as Fahizah in the SLA. Nancy was working part time at an orange juice stand called Fruity Rudy's on Telegraph Avenue.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Telegraph is sort of the St. Mark's place of Berkeley. You got a lot of stands, a lot of booths.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And Willie Wolfe was selling homemade bread in the booth next to Fruity Rudy's.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Guess what color? White as all hell. Yeah, that's one thing we're keeping white.

MARCUS PARKS

The two talked and found they had common interests. But Nancy's background was much rougher than the other members of the SLA. While she'd grown up in Orange County as a straight A cheerleader, she turned Maoist when she attended Berkeley and she subsequently married a Black jazz musician.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But even after the marriage fell apart, Nancy would hold on to certain affectations, like she'd call everyone brother and she'd talk in a Black accent. Her accent however was pretty good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Because if you'll remember, Nancy was the only person in the SLA that Patty Hearst thought was actually Black besides Cin before the blindfold came off. But during her dark times before the SLA, Nancy worked as a Blackjack dealer in a gentleman's club where she wore a see- through blouse while the waitresses went fully topless.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cool.

ED LARSON

So she was in charge.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

She had a couple of people under her.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, I'm the one with the gauze. All right?

MARCUS PARKS

She soon fell into drug abuse and high-risk sex work. But after meeting Willie Wolfe, Nancy found her purpose again and was eventually reborn as Fahizah. Now Nancy and Mizmoon became fast friends and they were soon going together to the Chabot gun range. It's spelled C- H-A-B-O-T, have no idea how it's pronounced.

ED LARSON

I'm sure they're still in business.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah. It's in Oakland.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's in Oakland.

MARCUS PARKS

And they went there to learn their way around a weapon for when the inevitable revolution came. There they met a Vietnam veteran named Joe Remiro who took the name Bo when he joined the SLA.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I really feel like they needed to really pull this all together. And I think what would have made them successful is the music of Sia. Because I think these women need to feel strong enough in order to put it all together, man.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Even her hair is bringing black and white together.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Wow. That's a Sa joke, very specific. Eddietunes.com. That's a very specific joke.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Joe had truly been in the shit in Vietnam. He'd been a member of one of the war's long range reconnaissance units. These are the guys who went behind enemy lines to try and out Viet Cong the Viet Cong.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And let me tell you something, man. It's fucking hard to do. I'm not enjoying out Viet Conging the Viet Cong. I really honestly kind of wish we weren't and we did this traditional with muskets and trenches. Cause this sucks. There's a lot of bugs.

MARCUS PARKS

As a result, Joe Remiro was riddled with PTSD when he got back and he joined an organization called Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he was legit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But at the same time, he thought that an armed revolution in America was inevitable and the left was gonna need an organized military. So he began giving classes on how to use weapons at the Chabot gun range for anyone who was willing to learn. And soon after Nancy Ling Perry and Mizmoon started attending, Russ Little and Willie Wolfe were acting as Joe Remiro's assistants during these paramilitary classes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it really was Willie Wolfe's like group cuckism that drove this whole thing. He really was just like I just want to help everybody. I want everybody to just feel like they're part of a fun army. We're in an army together!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well they said that Willie Wolfe was very affable and you just kind of wanted to hang around, like he was just a friendly guy to be around.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he's the Lionel Richie of the SLA, bringing them all together.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now all while Willie Wolfe was I think unknowingly collecting this motley crew-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He didn't know that he was doing that.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

No idea at all. Many of them were traveling to Vacaville under the guise of tutoring but really they were smuggling revolutionary literature to prisoners.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And also drugs and alcohol and money.

ED LARSON

Yeah, the stuff that makes it all worth it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Chief among their texts was the book 'Blood in my Eye' which was a series of letters written by a prominent member of the Black Panther Party named George Jackson. Of course he wrote these before he was killed in a prison break at San Quentin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

George Jackson is legit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

His death was actually what inspired the Attica Prison riots.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Which also kicked off the prison abolition movement, the prison reform movement.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

George Jackson is a very important person in 20th century American history.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

And this book would be more or less the foundational text of the SLA. See it was George Jackson's view that the only way to affect change in America was through violent revolution against both the state and the corporations that propped up the American fascist regime.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because that's the idea, you're trying to take the mode of production, right. You're trying to take the means of production. That's the idea. And the people who have the means of production are the state and the corporatocracy that runs the country.

MARCUS PARKS

Jackson also claimed that the sheer number of prisoners in America could provide the infrastructure of the revolutionary armies.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it makes a lot of sense because he kept saying again, like the main issue, kind of what communists and communist thought is kind of really talking about is there's so many people that are not in charge underneath the people that are in charge. And it's kind of crazy that you got one guard for every 1000 criminals or 1000 prisoners in this thing. And you just gotta get them all together to fight against the top.

ED LARSON

Yeah. The problem though with an army-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There's more of us than them always.

ED LARSON

Made of prisoners is they're in prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well you gotta break them out.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well there was also many people in the revolution that were like so any of you guys got money to buy a tank? Anybody got a nuclear weapon?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm not quite sure but I think like George Jackson, it was a kind of a thought exercise.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a concept.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's a concept. You're not literally supposed to do this shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well unless you do do it. And then when you do do it, you have to do it right.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It certainly didn't work in Attica.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

No. Well it also wasn't a coincidence that George Jackson had quite a few choice words to say about the families that ran America, which included the Rockefellers and who else but the descendants of William Randolph Hearst.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't want them to know-

MARCUS PARKS

That rosebud is the name of the clit?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no. About the chocolate starfish. I don't want anybody to know about my favorite little starfish in the world. Oh my little brown-eyed, brown-eyed wonder.

MARCUS PARKS

Now at this point, this group had coalesced around Willie Wolfe simply because he was affable but there was nobody on the outside who could be their leader. By their own ethos, they could not be part of a group that was led by a white person and Joe Remiro didn't count because he was only half Mexican. That all changed however when Cin escaped from prison in the easiest prison break I've ever heard of.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well this is, can I tell why I think again points to why he's a prison informant and what he knew? So he was talking throughout the prison. And for a while, as he read George Jackson, he was like yes, I want to be George Jackson. This guy means a lot to me. And he says that essentially like one of the terms, one of the kind of thoughts that they have is that like essentially getting let out on bail, you might as well crawl out of jail on your belly. Like that's what he said. It was like the idea that that means you gave in.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You gave in to the system going back.

ED LARSON

And you're probably going back.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well this idea that you played along, you played along and you should always be obstructing the system. And what he realized is like I don't wanna be in jail anymore. I never wanna be in jail and I feel like there's stuff out there. So during this time period he's building these contacts with the BCA and they're like kind of talking about him and he's kind of floating this concept of what if I'm not here no more? Right? What if I'm not in this jail? And so what he started doing, that's why he was on his best behavior is because he knew that when he got the detail, there was one work detail that took them outside of the prison gates. And so he spent all of his time... And I think he only even knew about that job because he was an informant.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he talked about and he got the job because he was an informant.

MARCUS PARKS

Maybe.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Maybe.

MARCUS PARKS

We don't know if he was an informant.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's just my read.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure. Well on December 11, 1972, Cin was transferred from Vacaville to Soledad Prison and was reclassified as a minimum security prisoner. That meant that he could be entrusted with jobs that had more freedom and as a result, he'd been assigned to work on the boiler in the CO training school outside of the main prison walls. So while the guard was taking the second shift worker back to the prison so Cin could start the graveyard shift, Cin simply walked out of an unlocked door and climbed a chain link fence to freedom.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Boom, done, out.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the guard-

ED LARSON

No razor wire or nothing?

MARCUS PARKS

Nah. I mean that's the thing, they're outside the main walls.

ED LARSON

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, they're in the safe area.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Now the guard almost lazily sounded the alarm because this happened a lot and the prisoners were usually picked up within a day or so. But before Cin could be recaptured, he talked a Mexican family into giving him a change of clothes and subsequently caught a ride to the Bay Area. Once he arrived in Oakland, Cin found a young Black radical who'd served as an outside coordinator for the BCA at Vacaville. Now there are different accounts of this story.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes. Because this is like one of those. This is one of those times in history where there's some versions of this story where Cinque was this Che Guevara-like leader where this was like a big deal. And then there are also some of these which we believe in, that there's a little bit more hesitancy.

MARCUS PARKS

The only people who thought that Cin was the Che Guevara type leader was the people in the SLA.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The SLA. Yes.

ED LARSON

And Toobin!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And Jeffrey Toobin. Literally and Jeffrey Toobin.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, Jeffrey Toobin also slit Cinque's throat every chance he can.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But he just liked all the rest of them?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he likes Bill Harris because Bill Harris talked to him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. If he could have talked to Cinque, he would have loved Cinque.

ED LARSON

Racist! Jeffrey Toobin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I think that there was a lot. So this guy is an example of a guy that was a connect to DeFreeze while he was inside of jail.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he was super happy and super intense and they got n really intense conversations about how the revolution was gonna fucking go down and all this kind of shit when he got out, right. And then he gets out and he shows up at your house and you're like whoa, buddy! Oh you're here at my house. And he's like yeah, revolution time! And he says like-

MARCUS PARKS

I've got a wife and kids.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I can't do that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. This guy, this dude had a wife and three kids. So there's no way Cin's gonna stay with him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. He's like oh shit, you broke out of jail and you're here at my home?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But he was willing to drive Cin around town to find someone to take him in.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dump him on.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. The only problem was that this friend needed gas money. So he asked another friend if he could borrow some cash. But when that friend found out the money was for Cin and this friend just happened to know Cin, she said fuck no, I'm not giving a fucking dime to that shithead.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And finally Mayfield talked her into lending him $20 but she made sure that he knew that she was doing it for him, not for Cin.

ED LARSON

Yeah, you owe me this money.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. But as Cin was driven around the Bay Area with his address book, telling his friend how he was gonna quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"I'm gonna get our brothers and sisters, we're gonna get them together!"

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Door after door was slammed in Cin's face.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Come on, my brothers and sisters. Come on, everybody.

MARCUS PARKS

By the end of the night after Cin had worked his way through every Black person he knew in the Bay Area, he finally said take me to the white people's house.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's really true. All of his actual Black friends were all like no!

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

I'm not going to fucking prison for you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, dude! Like yeah, I want a revolution but you're now... Do you have any idea how much... Honestly it's like how much heat is on you is gonna fuck us up.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well it's not only that but everyone thought Cin was crazy. They were like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He doesn't read the theory. He couldn't understand theory.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. He doesn't know what he's talking about, he's fucking unpredictable. Like get this fucker out of here.

ED LARSON

I'm also gonna go ahead and guess that he's stinky.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

How dare you?

MARCUS PARKS

And that was how Cin showed up unannounced at Peking House, looking for Willie Wolfe and Russ Little.

ED LARSON

I'm just here peeking.

MARCUS PARKS

Now everyone else at the commune was extremely nervous about Cin being there but to deny him sanctuary would be to go against their revolutionary principles.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They were like how do we get this Black man out of here?

MARCUS PARKS

The compromise was that Cin could hide in the basement. Now sources vary as to whether Cin was down there for a day or a week. But what got him kicked out was when he came up from the basement during a house party dressed fly as fuck but acting like he wasn't a dangerous fugitive.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He looked cool.

ED LARSON

I'm guessing a week. If he did that the first day, that'd be wild.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ED LARSON

Also they'd be stupid for throwing a party knowing you have a fugitive in the basement.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I don't know, man, it's college. Like man, we can't cancel the fucking party tonight. We've been planning this shit for a week. I've been giving out flyers!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, dude, we got all three kegs.

MARCUS PARKS

Well as a result, the majority of Peking House decided that hiding Cin was too risky of a venture. So after scouting around, Russ Little found that Mizmoon was more than willing to take Cin into her apartment.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

The two soon became lovers and it was obvious to Willie and everyone else that their leader had finally arrived.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh goody gee, I could just... It's gonna go now, yay!

ED LARSON

But I thought Mizmoon was banging the other chick.

MARCUS PARKS

Nah, they broke up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep. Cin of course was all too happy to accept this role.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh okay, I'll be in charge. Yeah, he just knew immediately.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is kind of one of those things we talk about with cults. Does the cult find the guy, does the guy pull it all together? Cinque, when he got Unisight, he realized how much he enjoyed telling people what to do.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then when this happened and he found this group of extremely pliable human beings... I mean this was probably one of the happiest days of his life.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm sure.

ED LARSON

Well he finally found someone to follow him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now whether they knew it or not, the Symbionese Liberation Army was quite an apt name for what was going down here. Stupidly, the word 'symbionese' was the group's attempt at turning the word 'symbiosis' into an adjective. There's already a word for that, it's symbiotic.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Symbiotic. Yep. You don't have to make up 'symbionese' which again sounds like... I guess when I first heard that word I always kind of assumed that it was like some fake country.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Or a language.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I was like was there an African nation called Symbia that I'd never heard of?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what I thought, yeah. No, very confusing.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, no, it's very stupid. But the name was perfect.

ED LARSON

They're all going to Berkeley.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

You can't fucking find a real word?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's just, oh man. It's too much confidence in one room.

MARCUS PARKS

But either way, the name was perfect but not in the way they thought. See Cin found that in Berkeley all these white kids would listen to whatever he had to say and would do whatever he wanted them to do simply because he was Black. That's the only credential he needed. In return, the white kids finally got to be revolutionaries while still following their principles that a white person cannot lead them. And Cin reinforced that by repeatedly telling them that he was doing them a favor by training them to be Black revolutionaries even though they were all white. Now the SLA didn't really get going until May of 1973 when Mizmoon, Nancy Ling Perry, and Cin started putting together the SLA's goals and codes of war down on paper, as well as their constitution and their ever important logo.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's awesome.

MARCUS PARKS

About their seven-headed cobra symbol which admittedly is the only cool thing about the SLA, they wrote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"The Symbionese Liberation Army has selected the seven-headed Cobra as our emblem because we realize that an army is a mass that needs unity in order to become a fighting force. It is a revolutionary unit of all people against a common oppressor. And with the venom of our seven heads, we will destroy the fascist insect who preys upon the life of the people."

ED LARSON

See I imagine a seven-headed cobra would just die a horrible death.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man. How do they eat enough? How many dicks does it have?

MARCUS PARKS

Now the SLA did try to reach out to other Black community and revolutionary groups but they were turned down again and again when these groups reviewed the SLA's ultra radical proposals, which always involved violence.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Most of these groups just saw Cin as fucking crazy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dude, it's the truth which is he was a bad salesman for the group.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But he couldn't understand that yes, this concept of the escaped prisoner leading the revolutionary group, it makes a lot of sense in a novel, it makes a lot of sense in concept. But the heat that it begins with makes it almost impossible to get off the ground. And I think there's a lot of these guys are saying is like it's not even just that, it's you're the wrong guy right now.

ED LARSON

It's not practical.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're not the guy.

ED LARSON

You need to make speeches and shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, we don't need... Technically we need another Malcolm X. That's not you.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But perhaps because they were rejected, the SLA went full sour grapes and decided that they just hated the Black Panthers.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They hate the Black Panthers!

MARCUS PARKS

Because they believed that the Panthers had sold out and given up their guns to embrace social activities the SLA saw as counterrevolutionary. Free breakfast programs, education, community outreach.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, dumb stuff.

ED LARSON

But they did that!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's dumb, Eddie.

ED LARSON

When they kidnapped Patty Hearst, they made Randy Hearst do that!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They tried to get food going.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

To try to get it all back because of how much they had already fucked up.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well additionally the SLA thought that other violent revolutionary groups like the Weather Underground, those are the guys that had carried out numerous bombings by 1973, they thought that the Weather Underground were phony revolutionaries because the only fatalities incurred during the Weather Underground's many bombings was when two of their members accidentally blew themselves up in their Greenwich Village apartment.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I like revolutionaries who don't blow themselves up.

ED LARSON

But isn't it like kind of good to not blow up people-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

When they blow up the places?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, they wanted death, they wanted chaos.

MARCUS PARKS

It's the SLA, they want people to die.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

They think that the only way that the revolution is gonna work is if people are killed mercilessly.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But the thing is they also sort of believe this idea of a kickoff event. Like that's what we're leaning towards, this idea that we will spark the revolution. Which is very similar to Charles Manson's view of like our actions are gonna start the race war that's gonna bring the next era. Like that's what he thought. Like we're gonna do a bunch of stuff and it's just gonna kick off and then everybody's gonna be so happy with me, as Cinque.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm gonna be the leader, everyone's gonna love me.

MARCUS PARKS

Now by this point the SLA had taken on three more recruits who had all moved together from Indiana to California in 1972. These were the theater kids.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, every revolutionary group needs them.

MARCUS PARKS

Bill Harris, aka Teko.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You can call me Mr. Teko.

MARCUS PARKS

His wife Emily Harris, aka Yolanda.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Some people call me Yolanda but some people don't call me late for dinner. Everybody!

MARCUS PARKS

And there was the most theatrical of all, Angela Atwood, aka Gelina.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Me? Are you talking to me? Yes, I'll join your army. Let's go, boys! (hums intro to Feel Like A Woman by Shania Twain) Yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

Now Angela and her husband Gary Atwood, they were Indiana University's star drama couple.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow.

MARCUS PARKS

But instead of going to Los Angeles after graduation-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, don't waste your talents on LA.

MARCUS PARKS

Angela and Gary went to San Francisco because Gary, who was reportedly the talented one, he got a job at a small theater in Berkeley.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm doing this amazing production where it is normally for... It's very, very hyper specific. It's for one person at a time. What they do is they face this wall and I place my bare buttocks against a hole in this wall. And then the audience in a way of kind of, it's an immersion, it's an immersion experience. They stick their erect penis through the hole in the wall and I buck ever so violently against the hole until they cum inside of me. And that's how you know the show is over.

MARCUS PARKS

Neither Gary nor Angela made a living acting. But Angela did win the leading role in a production of a play called Hedda Gabler.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh very fancy old school play.

MARCUS PARKS

Is it?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah. Well yeah, you're a theater major.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, Hedda Gabler is like one of those. It's like one of the classics. I forget a lot of these fucking bullshits. Like Do Tigers Wear Neckties?

ED LARSON

You know what? That description is still more than we know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep. It's fucking horsehit. Hedda Gabler is dumb, man. I hate that fucking shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Well this production of Hedda Gabler was produced by the Company Theater of Berkeley. And at this production Angela made friends and she was soon taking a night course in radical politics at UC. As Angela got more involved in women's lib and Marxism, Gary from Indiana was no longer doing it for her.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But what about my gape show?

MARCUS PARKS

So she left him in August of 1973.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's simply not enough, Gary. I need more.

MARCUS PARKS

Sometime after, she began dating Russ Little of the SLA. Russ Little introduced her to Joe Remiro and Willie Wolfe. And Angela soon found that she too wanted to be on the front lines of the coming revolution.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes! And I'll know all the words and I'll know all the steps.

ED LARSON

Man, Gary really dodged a bullet.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. He's watching the news two years later and being like whew.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ooh man. Wow. Thank god I stuck to distributing child pornography.

ED LARSON

All right, zip-zap-zop everybody.

MARCUS PARKS

That's what they all did.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

But Angela was not the only transplant from Indiana. Soon after she and Gary moved to Berkeley, they were followed by their drama club friends Bill and Emily Harris.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, these two.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Bill was another Vietnam vet like Joe Remiro. But despite all the bluster Bill displayed on that horrendous CNN documentary, the first thing he says is "my first day in Vietnam I saw a man get tortured to death." He never even unholstered his fucking gun.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I think what he meant was like the guy couldn't get his uniform on, right or whatever. He was just like I'm just so fat. Just give me a minute. He's like no bro, you fucking look exactly like you should.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

In my eyes, you're perfect.

ED LARSON

You're not gonna see someone get tortured to death on your first day.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ED LARSON

That's like two years in. You're in a prison camp.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, where is it happening, at the mess hall?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Is it happening where everybody's hanging out hwere Jimi Hendrix is playing on the radio and they're all smoking weed out of fucking rifles and shit?

ED LARSON

McCain saw that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes, exactly.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

No, this guy's on the base.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Exactly.

MARCUS PARKS

No, the reason why he never saw combat is because he tore a ligament playing a game of touch football.

ED LARSON

In Vietnam?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

In Vietnam!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the best way to get out of Vietnam, dude.

ED LARSON

You know everyone was so fucking jealous.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah because he's just like oh my fucking taint! I ripped my fucking taint! And they're all like oh yeah? And he's like look at my ripped taint!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I can't go in the jungle!

MARCUS PARKS

Yup. And he paints himself as a big tough motherfucker.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And he is not. He was shipped out to Okinawa after just six months in Vietnam.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He got to go to a blue zone?

ED LARSON

Yeah, he just went to the beach.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He got to go to this beautiful island nation?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. He spent much of the rest of his time in service staffing the officer's club. After that he was stationed at Camp Lejeune.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No!

ED LARSON

No!

MARCUS PARKS

And according to the terms of the class action lawsuit-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He may in fact be entitled to compensation.

MARCUS PARKS

He may be!

ED LARSON

Good for him?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow. Maybe it hurt his attitude.

MARCUS PARKS

Now at this time... Oh the bad water hurt his attitude? That's what happened to him. Maybe that is, it's the Camp Lejeune water.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It might be.

MARCUS PARKS

Maybe that made him an asshole. Now at this time the SLA was split between two groups, above ground and underground. Bill and Emily Harris, as well as Camilla Hall and Angela Atwood, they were still working day jobs and living amongst the people. Nancy Ling Perry, Mizmoon, and Russ Little however, they had secluded themselves with Cin in a white middle class suburb in the East Bay in a house they called the Liberated Zone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh my god. It's so funny because no matter what they do, it sounds like fucking right wing podcasts.

ED LARSON

Also you don't have to name everything.

MARCUS PARKS

You really do-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But that is a left wing thing.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a very left wing thing, everything's got names and everything's got broke down. Everything needs organizations and groups and all that shit.

MARCUS PARKS

I bet they argued for six hours-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

About the name.

MARCUS PARKS

What they were gonna call it.

ED LARSON

Oh my god, I hate when I'm on a group text chain and people keep changing the name of our group.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Nobody cares!

ED LARSON

We don't need a name! We don't!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Get a job! Go someplace else!

MARCUS PARKS

But now that they had the name, the logo, a little safehouse, and the codes of war, the SLA decided that they weren't gonna be all talk nor would they stoop to community service like the Black Panthers.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah because we all know how much of a pussy the Black Panthers are. Sarcasm.

MARCUS PARKS

Instead Cin felt that they needed to act and act violently.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ah!

MARCUS PARKS

Dude you just came fucking a millimeter away from punching me in the face.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Real close. Real close.

ED LARSON

But that's the story of working with Henry.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

He's fucking whizzed my nose like 10 times.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I do it on purpose.

MARCUS PARKS

The people who found themselves in their crosshairs was Oakland superintendent of schools Marcus Foster and his deputy Robert Blackburn. Now Foster had proposed a plan for student IDs in schools that were experiencing particularly bad problems with violence and vandalism. This is so they could keep out nonstudent criminals and drug dealers. Additionally Foster had suggested they place security guards at these same schools. Now Willie Wolfe was at the meeting where all this was proposed and he reported what Foster had said back to Cin. And Cin immediately he became incensed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because you remember he believed in the conspiracy theory view of this. He thought they meant the kids were being tracked and they were gonna let police in.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And tell everybody police were like teaching classes and shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And that they would fingerprint all the kids and put them into a huge database.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

And it was like the first step towards like a police state.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

So they decided that the public unveiling of the Symbionese Liberation Army would be the murder of Marcus Foster. They believed that this was gonna be the only way to stop the ID program and the occupation of the schools by the pigs. And they also believed without evidence that both Foster and his deputy were CIA agents.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sounds like somebody's talking about themselves. There is a whole conspiracy theory about the CIA forming and doing all of this stuff. Of course.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It's Operation Chaos.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's all that kind of stuff.

MARCUS PARKS

It's not. No, no, no, these are all just fucking morons.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sounds like something with a CIA vibe, I would say.

MARCUS PARKS

But in both these assumptions the SLA was dead wrong. Soon after that October meeting attended by Willie Wolfe, Foster walked back the proposals after the community opposed them. And Foster had always been opposed to armed security in schools. He just wanted guys around to help out.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We have violence in the schools, I'm trying to figure out what the fuck to do.

ED LARSON

Yes. Meanwhile today every school has a cop with a gun.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, with an assault rifle.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah. No, Marcus Foster was a good man legitimately trying to do his best at an extraordinarily difficult job.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

The SLA of course, they never noticed the update, they never saw the walk back. And they continued on with their plan in the hopes that it would rally every revolutionary group around their cause. The effect of course was the exact opposite.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Uh oh.

MARCUS PARKS

Now if you'll remember, one of the reasons why the SLA had kidnapped Patty Hearst was because they wanted to trade her for the two comrades who'd been arrested for the murder of Marcus Foster. Those comrades were Russ Little and Joe Remiro. But as it went down that fateful night, neither Remiro nor Little pulled the many triggers that killed Oakland superintendent.

ED LARSON

Really?

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. On November 6th, 1973 at 7 pm, Marcus Foster and Robert Blackburn had just attended a city council meeting and were walking to their cars to attend another meeting. These are hard working motherfuckers.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah dude, that sucks.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. They were approached by three people. The assailants were Cin, Nancy Ling Perry, and Mizmoon. Cin had a 12 gauge shotgun, Nancy Ling Perry had a .380 automatic pistol, and Mizmoon had a .38 special.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Tell me, are you ready to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

MARCUS PARKS

Nancy fired first and hit Foster in the leg. She was followed by Cin who fired two shots which hit Robert Blackburn in the back. Finally Mizmoon walked up to Foster and fired bullet after bullet into his body, then fired the final shot into the back of his neck. They then fled to the getaway car and that was where Joe Remiro and Russ Little were waiting. In all, Foster had been shot eight times, any one of which would have been fatal. And while the SLA fled, Blackburn staggered towards the nearest doorway and collapsed just inside the Board of Education building. But he did survive. That means that Cin did not kill anybody.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

The murderer was Mizmoon and Nancy Ling.

ED LARSON

Whoa.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, dude. And Mizmoon, I mean again this is what she's gonna use for the rest of her time. Because Zoya is the real scary one.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

ED LARSON

Also they were proved in that moment that the cyanide bullets don't work.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's very, very stupid. It's extremely, extremely stupid.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Blackburn got hit with shotgun pellets.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Didn't they like read about the cyanide bullets somewhere?

MARCUS PARKS

I don't know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I looked that up and I remember seeing somewhere why they did that. I mean I know it's dumb.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah and it doesn't work, no.

ED LARSON

Yeah, I've heard of this kind of stuff from... People always talk about the cyanide bullets and the guys who dip bullets and shit and stuff like that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I think it's mostly just to tell your friends.

MARCUS PARKS

Well upon inspecting the bullets, the cops smelled the distinct aroma of almonds.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wait, let me see this. (slurping) No, let me try it some more. (slurping) Throwing the bullet around. Yeah, that's cyanide. (groaning in agony)

MARCUS PARKS

The bullets had been packed with cyanide, which would as we know become a calling card for the Symbionese Liberation Army. Now later Nancy Ling Perry would justify the murder by saying that Robert Blackburn had immediately ducked into a crouch and tried to escape by running in a zigzag pattern which she said had proved his CIA training.

ED LARSON

Ha! This proves that you've learned how to escape from an alligator.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Here we go. This comes from Clint John. "The answer depends on multiple factors, primarily type, purity, and amount of cyanide delivered per bullet. I once utilized a 1/8 drill bit to enlarge the cavity of 22 CCI Stingers to accept the payload of pure potassium cyanide because I was 15 and I thought I was a ninja. I never tested them on anything but the amount was very small, almost insignificant." Look at this long thing. "At the very least if it does not kill you within the hour, it will induce necrosis and turn the wound septic. Other poisons are more effective." Continue.

MARCUS PARKS

Well this justification of him being a CIA agent was necessary because besides Cin, the SLA wasn't feeling all that great about murdering Marcus Foster once the reviews, so to speak, started rolling in. After the SLA wrote a document and sent it to a radio station taking credit for the murder, they were immediately condemned by literally everyone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. And this is the action, this is like an example of they thought they were gonna do this and the revolution was gonna start.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They just thought that this was just gonna kick it all off and then it was gonna be blood in the streets. And then he was real bad at it.

ED LARSON

Yeah, you don't start a pro Black revolution by killing a successful Black man.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're right.

MARCUS PARKS

Several sources also said that more than one prisoner at Vacaville told Willie that Cin had to go because he'd gone too far and fucked up too badly. Seemingly torn as to what to do, and this is just a rumor, it's said that Willie allegedly fled California and went back to his parents' house in Pennsylvania for a few weeks. But even though he probably felt guilty, when his father

brought up the Marcus Foster murder and said it was an ugly thing, Willie still felt like he had to defend it. And he told his father hey, maybe Foster deserved it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whatever.

MARCUS PARKS

Likewise when Mizmoon's brother brought up the murder, she told him that Foster was quote "in it with the pigs".

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was the school superintendent.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's like yeah...

MARCUS PARKS

But whether or not they truly felt bad, they had to double down because Cin was doubling down. And by their own principles, Cin was the commander and could not be questioned. Now after the murder of Marcus Foster and the fallout that ensued, the SLA got a new safehouse in the San Francisco suburb of Concord, 20 miles away from Berkeley. This would be the first official SLA base of operations and it was here that they began to plan their next actions while continuously performing their training exercises.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We watched the scene right before we started recording from Paul Schrader's Patty Hearst and we didn't know... We're gonna watch it. I wanna watch it now.

ED LARSON

I can't wait.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But they do the scene of them running around going like pew, pew! It's crazy. It's so funny.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, this Patty Hearst movie looks insane. I mean it's got William Forsythe in blackface.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, going like I'm gonna get you, sucker! I'm gonna get you, sucker!

MARCUS PARKS

And when it came to ideas as to what to do next, Bill Harris actually came up with the idea to hijack food trucks to give out food to the people, which as we know is an idea that would later be repurposed as a ransom demand. But after none of them could figure out how exactly they could distribute stolen food from a stolen truck and not get caught, Cin decided that their next operation should be the kidnapping of someone important.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The idea to kidnap came from George Jackson too.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Then he did it wrong.

MARCUS PARKS

Well they made a list-

ED LARSON

Can I ask a question? Did all the food go bad?

MARCUS PARKS

They didn't ever actually hijack the truck.

ED LARSON

Oh they didn't hijack it.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, no.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

They just sat around talking about it.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Because that's what they did is they talked and talked and talked.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There's a lot of meetings.

ED LARSON

Sorry. The chef in me got so mad.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well they made a list of two dozen names that included local bankers, corporate executives, and correctional facility officials. This document was labeled Western Regional Unit 10, in what seems to be one of the first examples of the SLA pretending to be larger than they actually were. And they're just pretending with themselves.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think there was a little fake it until you make it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think it was kind of this idea that like we are the vanguard.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're going to inspire everyone.

MARCUS PARKS

And I think they're always trying to like puff themselves up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Puff themselves up.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And it's Anders Breivik again.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But on December 19th, 1973, the San Francisco Examiner announced the engagement of the granddaughter of William Randolph Hearst to a Mr. Steven Weed. Now the article plainly stated that Patty Hearst went to UC Berkeley. So Bill Harris, he just went to the fucking UC administration building and looked up her address in the student directory.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Well these are things that get corrected over time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It really was as simple as that. And after checking out her apartment and seeing that her kidnapping would be extremely simple, they all agreed that the kidnapping of a Hearst heir would give them the perfect victim on every level, from the ease of the crime to the symbolic nature of capturing someone whose family was name-checked in 'Blood in my Eye'. But as far as how Little and Remiro got arrested, they were looking for the SLA safehouse one night but got lost in the neighborhood. Their problem was that they were driving a van that matched the description of a vehicle suspected in a string of local burglaries. So when a patrolman named David Duge noticed the van driving in circles around the neighborhood, he pulled them over. And after finding Remiro and Little suspicious, Duge asked them to step out of the car. And that's when Remiro opened fire.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's when you say oh no, officer, I'm so sorry, officer, we should move. Oh I didn't know, we'll be on the lookout for those bad boys! You know what I mean? That's why you don't gotta get arrested.

MARCUS PARKS

Well he asked him to step out of the car because he wanted to pat them down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Of course!

MARCUS PARKS

And they were armed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

They're also... Dirty hippies get treated horribly by the police at this time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I get it, I get it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm just saying if you're trying to sort of like make the revolution go in the beginning and you need all the crew, you can't just pop off randomly.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Also just know where your fucking safehouse is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. It's super crucial.

MARCUS PARKS

Remiro and Duge got into a small gunfight. But when Duge retreated to his car to call for backup, Remiro ran away on foot while Russ Little took off in the van. But since Little was still lost, he ended up circling back to Duge just after backup arrived.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What in the living fuck? Am I in a Twilight Zone episode? I can't get away from the situation!

ED LARSON

Nightmare on Elm Street IV.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What the fuck, man? It's just what a moron. Also San Francisco is extremely, this whole area is very confusing.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Little was boxed in and when cops searched the van they found hundreds of freshly printed leaflets featuring the Symbionese Liberation Army's seven-headed cobra symbol. Remiro meanwhile spent all night trying to find the safehouse but was caught hiding between two homes at 5:30 am. Tragically for him, he was only two blocks away from the rest of the SLA. He almost found it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So stupid.

ED LARSON

And the address is on the flyer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Even worse was that Remiro was found with one of the guns used to murder Marcus Foster. So Remiro and Little were charged with Foster's murder even though they were just the getaway drivers during the crime.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Man, we need more and different guns.

ED LARSON

I like barely killed him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. I was just kind of hearing them kill him.

MARCUS PARKS

Now the SLA heard about Remiro and Little's arrest within hours. And since Romero had been arrested so close to the safehouse, they decided that they would burn it to the ground with everything inside to destroy all evidence that the SLA was even there.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We'll be like ghosts in the night! No one's gonna know we're here. No one's gonna know anything about the SLA ever! Secret organization.

MARCUS PARKS

Except for all the communiques and all the shit that we send out.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Except for the widely public ways we've been asking for attention. Nobody's gonna know anything about us!

MARCUS PARKS

Well to do so, they soaked the house in gasoline and connected a fuse to a line of gunpowder. The fuse was lit and Nancy, Mizmoon, and Cin hauled ass out of there in Willie Wolfe's 1967 Oldsmobile.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But guess what they didn't live in? A Looney Tunes cartoon. And you don't just sit. Like that doesn't happen.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like the idea of a long line of gunpowder like leading to the explosion. This thing is called wind.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But while there was an initial blast from the gunpowder, the fire didn't catch and in trying to destroy the evidence, the SLA led police directly and immediately to the place where all the evidence was.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly I can't find any evidence. Where does this line of gunpowder lead to? All right, it leads right to just like an open box and they just open the box and like here's all the fucking shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yup. Inside they found several typewriters, a mimeograph machine, half a dozen types of ammo, gas masks, bandoliers, stolen license plates, and three BB guns. They also... I don't know what the fuck they had, I guess the BB guns are so they-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

To fake.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

To fake having guns.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. They also found boxes of SLA documents and notebooks filled with Nancy Ling Perry's and Joe Remiro's musings.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wouldn't it be amazing if I could kiss Kotter? Mr and Mrs Kotter.

ED LARSON

The gas didn't catch?

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No! It's extremely difficult. Gasoline actually takes a lot of heat to spark.

MARCUS PARKS

But most importantly, authorities found an incredible amount of evidence that the SLA was planning a kidnapping. In trying to find the perfect target, the SLA had consulted 'The Who's Who in American Industry', 'The Who's Who in Business and Finance'-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We need a who's who!

MARCUS PARKS

And 'The Watchdogs of Wall Street'. These are all books stolen from the local library where Mizmoon was working as a janitor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The local library is the most socialist thing around, let's steal from the local library! It's the most socialist thing that exists! You could write it under a fake name when they ask you!

ED LARSON

Also you probably would have been better off burning the books than burning down the house.

MARCUS PARKS

The cops also found papers detailing schedules for surveillance duty on certain targets. One of those targets was John Countryman, former chairman of the board for the Del Monte Corporation.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't you come for my corn kernels!

ED LARSON

Fruit, right?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's corn!

MARCUS PARKS

No, fruit. Fruit guys are-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know, it's very bad. Yes, yes, yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Very bad. South America, banana republics, all of that type of shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, they're very bad.

ED LARSON

I'm Bob Dole.

MARCUS PARKS

Don't not.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not fruit.

MARCUS PARKS

Not fruit man.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, no. He's just got grip.

MARCUS PARKS

See Angela Atwood had been assigned to surveil John Countryman's house while Nancy Ling Perry was actually working on a communique for his kidnapping. They were gonna totally fucking kidnap this guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're gonna get him, we're gonna get him good.

MARCUS PARKS

But the plan fell apart when they discovered that John Countryman had died in 1972.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well we need to get current.

ED LARSON

We're here for John Countryman! Where is he?!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It just turns out 'The Who's Who in American Industry' is all from like 1958. Like fuck! How are we supposed to... We need to kidnap Walt Disney! Ah fuck!

ED LARSON

Just them pacing around an urn, trying to get information out of it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All right.

MARCUS PARKS

But on the list that included John Countryman as well as the vice presidents of Wells Fargo and the Bank of America, that list had the name of Marcus Foster.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See, we got one.

MARCUS PARKS

Written next to that name was the word 'executed'.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's kind of like when you write, you have a to-do list but you include all the things you've already done so you can feel like you've already done them. You know what I mean?

ED LARSON

You like that?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't but I've heard that if you write a thing down that you've already done on the to-do list just so you could strike it out.

ED LARSON

I write a real easy thing up top.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Like something like make breakfast.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Live.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

But were they worried they were gonna forget they killed this man?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I just think it should be like, again, it's about paperwork. And you see and him, we're actually making some progress here because this one we executed.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It really is, it's about ceremony, it's about symbolism.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well because again they're also saying that these are the logs for our... We're making war, we're an army. These are logs.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So this is gonna be important, it's gonna carry through history.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. We're making history here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

And we want people to know what the Symbionese Liberation Army was doing at all times.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Stood for. Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

But just after Marcus Foster's name was who else but Patty Hearst. Written next to her name were the words 'arrest warrant issued'. This was mid January, weeks before Patty Hearst was kidnapped. Nobody bothered to warn anybody on the list that they were potential targets. And as a result, just a few months later, William Randolph Hearst's granddaughter would find herself in the lobby of the Hibernia Bank with a gun, announcing to everyone present that her name was Patty Hearst and she was a member of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

ED LARSON

I mean Tania. Shit!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Fuck! I'm Tania!

MARCUS PARKS

But after the arrest of Joe Remiro and Russ Little, every above ground member of the SLA quit their jobs and went underground with everyone else. And at Bill Harris's insistence, Willie Wolfe returned from his family's home in Pennsylvania to rejoin the group he'd accidentally put together.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I'll always blame you both for not making me Black!

MARCUS PARKS

And on the night Willie returned, as they all sat on the floor of their new safehouse on their sleeping bags like it was a goddamn slumber party, Cin ceremoniously decided to make a permanent change. Here's how that scene went according to the book 'An American Journey: The Short Life of Willie Wolfe':

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"Beginning tonight-"

MARCUS PARKS

"Cinque said."

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"We'll use our revolutionary names only. So y'all know me, I'm Cinque."

MARCUS PARKS

"Then he nodded at Mizmoon, who said-"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"And I'm Zoya."

MARCUS PARKS

"And at Nancy who said-"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"And I'm Fahizah."

MARCUS PARKS

"Next came Bill Harris who said-"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"Teko, that's me."

MARCUS PARKS

"And Emily who said-"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"Yolanda."

MARCUS PARKS

"And Angela who said-"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"Call me Gelina."

MARCUS PARKS

"Which left only Willie, who said with a bow-"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"And I am Kahjoh." "Kahjoh?"

MARCUS PARKS

"Said Fahizah."

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"Where did you find that?" "It's a central American Indian word." "What does it mean?" "Unconquerable!"

MARCUS PARKS

And it's with our return to where we left the story in part one that we'll continue the Odyssey of Patty Hearst.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's unconquerable.

MARCUS PARKS

Starting with the crime that made this the biggest true crime story of the decade, the robbery at Hibernia Bank.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't care what anybody says, I'm the strongest, Blackest man I wanna be.

ED LARSON

It was amazing, you did such an amazing job, Marcus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Such a good job.

MARCUS PARKS

It was a joint effort between me and Carolina.

ED LARSON

Both of you did.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It's so much information but I feel dumber knowing it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Welcome to our entire lives. Now next week we are gonna give each other Swahili names. But that will be for next week and we can't continue forward unless we do have proper revolutionary names by next week.

MARCUS PARKS

All right. I'll think about it.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So we have to think about it. I'm already looking right now.

MARCUS PARKS

I wanna be Luke Skywalker.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No! It has to be Swahili. Right now I'm looking at Tai which means 'eagle'. And then there's also... I like that one. Ooh yeah.

ED LARSON

What's testicles?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let's look it up. Testicles in Swahili. Korodani.

MARCUS PARKS

Korodani.

ED LARSON

Korodani. Can I be Korodani?

MARCUS PARKS

Actually that sounds super cool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It does, yeah. Korodani.

ED LARSON

I'm Korodani, bro! You watch out, superintendents!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man. No more school for them! And I'm gonna be Matiti.

ED LARSON

Matiti?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is Swahili for breasts.

ED LARSON

Oh great. Well that's where it comes from.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I guess so. I don't think so actually.

ED LARSON

It's just a coincidence?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

I'll be Uso Wa Mifupa.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What does that mean?

MARCUS PARKS

Skeleton face.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow. Very specific.

ED LARSON

That's cool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well I'm very glad that we'll be together, Korodani. And me, Matiti, and you-

MARCUS PARKS

Uso Wa Mifupa.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is great.

ED LARSON

Uso Wa Mifupa.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is really good.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is really good.

ED LARSON

I've been wanting to rename myself.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

For a long time. Let's just work on this, let's workshop this, we'll come back.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I might go back to Luke Skywalker.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You might. Honestly but make it Swahili.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm just gonna say Luke Skywalker.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All right. We'll talk about it. Patreon.com/lastpodcastontheleft. You're gonna wanna see our bodies flop around. You can do that if you give us money. Go to TikTok and also Instagram @LPontheleft. You can see all of our social media content and I know you are addicted to it. You wanna go to twitch.tv/lpntv, you're gonna watch all the streams. Very good. On YouTube, go look at the YouTube, it's on there. We got a lot of good stuff. New Gud Pudcast is out. We got the UK store. If you're in the UK and you want our bullshit-

MARCUS PARKS

Our merch. You can finally buy it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You can do it now. It's easy to do. Lastpodcastontheleft.com. But in England. So you do it there. And you will like it.

ED LARSON

Also come to our shows in London.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We have a lot of shit, come check us out.

ED LARSON

Cadogan Hall and Hackney Empire.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And we're gonna bring stuff, obviously we'll bring merch when we're there.

ED LARSON

But buy it now so you can get hammered and not bring it home with you.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't worry, they're gonna get hammered. I'm not worried about that. And I would like to say sadly rest in peace, Doug Sackman. He was a friend of the show.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's a very good friend of mine and he passed away this weekend. And it really... I don't wanna do a lot of these.

ED LARSON

Yeah. It seems like since I've joined the show, is this the third one?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There's been a couple of these. Yeah, I think it's because it's our age.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's fun. But I just wanna say we are gonna miss him and it's an extremely sad time for me.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But hey-

ED LARSON

Shoutout Kabuki Man, we love you.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. RIP Sergeant Kabuki Man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Kabuki Man. Honestly fucking hit up your buddies. That's what that means. All right? Well that's fun.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And also No Dogs... I mean shit, I need to do this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh so, oh Mr. Plugs. Oh Mr. He Spent Months Working On His Show.

MARCUS PARKS

You didn't let me do it here.

ED LARSON

And we have the DC show too.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, we got the DC show too.

ED LARSON

The revolution is coming, DC.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're both bastards.

MARCUS PARKS

You didn't really wait until-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

How dare you both do this?

MARCUS PARKS

You needed to wait until after the plugs for the memorial.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Check out the new No Dogs in Space!

ED LARSON

Doug would want this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, he would.

MARCUS PARKS

We're doing it on Can! We're doing it on the band Can.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Come see us in DC, Doug would have wanted this.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Incredible band out of Germany, Can, you know their albums Tago Mago, you know the song Vitamin C. We're gonna get into their entire journey through the world of experimental music into music legends. It's super fucking cool. We're really proud of this series. So yeah, please go and check it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do it. Bye! Hail Satan!

MARCUS PARKS

Hail Gein.

ED LARSON

Hail George Jackson.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Why not, right?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah