Episode 588 - Horrors of SeaWorld I

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(whale sounds)

MARCUS PARKS

What's that noise? What's that noise? Am I about to be...

ED LARSON

(whale sounds)

MARCUS PARKS

Are we gonna be murdered? I think I'm about to be murdered by two big fat idiots.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(whale sounds)

MARCUS PARKS

Welcome to the Last Podcast on the Left, ladies and gentlemen.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Fun noises with the boys.

MARCUS PARKS

Fun noises with the boys is back.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(whale sounds)

ED LARSON

(whale sounds)

MARCUS PARKS

(groaning)

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're finally here.

MARCUS PARKS

We're finally here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're finally here where people said that we might get to this point but we didn't choose this, Marcus.

MARCUS PARKS

We did not choose this at all.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

My name's Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zebrowski.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Every day.

MARCUS PARKS

And we're here today, we're gonna be doing something different with today's episode.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We've never done this before.

MARCUS PARKS

We've never done this before.

ED LARSON

I ain't done lots of shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. He can't read. He can't have sex.

MARCUS PARKS

It's summertime. Summertime is a time when you try new things, when you try on some new hats.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So this is our brat girl summer.

MARCUS PARKS

I'd say this is more of our experimentation summer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh it's the one where Katy Perry kissed the girl that first time.

MARCUS PARKS

I'd say this is more of the summer where you do too much cocaine and then you really think about your life choices afterwards.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, sure. Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Gets real hot, gets real sweaty.

ED LARSON

Speaking of hot and sweaty, I'm wearing a sweater.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, that was a mistake.

MARCUS PARKS

Ed Larson is gonna be leading this episode and the next episode. He's gonna be leading us on the horrors of SeaWorld. My god, man. Please take us in.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm in the passenger seat this time. This is nice.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, see? Now you feel like me.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I did a little bit of research on this. This is a topic that-

ED LARSON

Was it when you went to a pool and ate a bunch of fish, you fucking idiot?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're not the funny one today. You're Mr. Man With The Outline. You stick to your little fucking outline, none of your precious roasts.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, I give him permission. I mean even though I may not-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(whale sounds)

MARCUS PARKS

Even though I may not be the driver, I think I'm still somewhat of a co-CEO here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You don't have to.

MARCUS PARKS

And I say Eddie, you get to be anything you want to be.

ED LARSON

Aw, thank you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that's the problem with our old generation is that that's what's led to this sort of... It doesn't matter.

ED LARSON

Failing up!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep. Now Eddie, you chose this topic. We decided that we wanted you to try to teach us something.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

About something that concerned you.

ED LARSON

I mean I'm always, I'm a big fan of animals. I love my animals. If you watch the Hamdates-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, I love my animals when they're a quarter pound, I love them when they're even better if they're half a pound.

ED LARSON

And I just think animal attacks... We talk about ghosts, aliens, serial killers-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We do talk about that.

ED LARSON

Yes. But to me the scariest thing in the world is being ripped apart by animals.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Apparently it's super not popular.

MARCUS PARKS

It's really not.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Did you see the story about the woman who got ripped apart by the pack of great danes recently?

MARCUS PARKS

I did see that, yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's crazy.

ED LARSON

No, no.

MARCUS PARKS

It's absolutely insane that that can happen. Did they end up finding the pack?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think they shot a bunch of them. I'm not quite certain. You ever hear the one about the infant girl torn apart by the squirrels?

ED LARSON

That's honestly worse than great danes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly it's just what happens.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's why you never load a child's diaper with a bunch of hazelnuts.

MARCUS PARKS

And there's been plenty of babies eaten to death by rats.

ED LARSON

Oh lord knows.

MARCUS PARKS

Bit by bit by bit.

ED LARSON

There was a whole plague.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. And the dingo ate my baby thing was also real.

ED LARSON

Very real.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We learned that in Australia.

ED LARSON

Very real. Yeah, Australia, lots of deadly animals of course.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You gotta take the reins, Eddie.

ED LARSON

All right. Growing up in Florida, I loved going to places like SeaWorld, Busch Gardens, and Miami Seaquarium.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was the only place you could get a bath.

MARCUS PARKS

Aquarium sounds like an STD.

ED LARSON

It's now shut down because it was horrible. There were places that you could witness the impossible. You could see a 25 ft, 12,000 pound whale perform a water ballet with a human being.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The good old days!

ED LARSON

Yeah, man. It was a circus underwater on steroids. And best of all, at the end of the show you were as wet as the performers. Now you said the good old days, I'm gonna go ahead now and tell you it's still happening.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh whoa! Wow! We could still see them, yay!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yes. You can still see them.

MARCUS PARKS

There's how many SeaWorlds now? Four?

ED LARSON

There are four technically now, there used to be five. But they shut the one in Ohio down a while ago.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, why? Because it's nowhere near the fucking ocean?

ED LARSON

The one in San Antonio is doing just fine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh.

MARCUS PARKS

oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The one in San Antonio, I remember going to SeaWorld, San Antonio.

ED LARSON

You went?

MARCUS PARKS

No one wanted to go to SeaWorld San Antonio.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Why would you?

MARCUS PARKS

Like that was always an option on vacations for everyone in Texas and everyone was like no, why would I go there?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No!

MARCUS PARKS

Six Flags Over Texas is so much closer.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And there's Wet 'N' Wild right across the highway.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Those fucking dolphins shouldn't be in the middle of San Antonio!

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

Now George Millay, one of the four men who started SeaWorld back in 1964 with Milton Shedd, Ken Norris, and David Demott. George Millet also started Wet 'N' Wild. So there you go.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See I don't like being wet though.

ED LARSON

I know you don't.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't like being wet.

ED LARSON

You're gonna hate this whole episode.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't like sitting in my wet.

MARCUS PARKS

You some kind of cat? Why don't you like being wet?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't like water parks, I don't like being wet all day.

ED LARSON

You don't like log flumes either, do you?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't. I don't want my bottom wet unless it's because I've met Paul Newman.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Here's a little log flume tip for you. When it's going down, lift your butt up just as it hits the water. That way when the water comes into the log, you aren't going to get it up your ass.

MARCUS PARKS

But when you sit back down, aren't you just sitting back down on wet?

ED LARSON

No, you're sitting back down in the seat and the wet's on the bottom.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The thing is that you've let the wet touch the seat and now the wet will be on the seat.

ED LARSON

You're gonna get all kind of wet but you're not gonna get a puddle in your butt is what I'm saying.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You gotta take this from me.

ED LARSON

Well anyway, George Millay opened SeaWorld with good intentions, I'm sure. At first they wanted to build an underwater restaurant.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa, cool!

ED LARSON

Yeah. And then it was the concept of an underwater zoo that got them real excited.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

ED LARSON

When they started this venture in San Diego with a couple of dolphins and sea lions, I'm sure they had no idea how successful and deadly it would become.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Did they pull those dolphins and the sea lions from The Groundlings?

ED LARSON

I think they're UCB troupe.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. So they don't get paid.

ED LARSON

No, they definitely don't get paid.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They just get worked to death and then choose their favorite one.

ED LARSON

They at least get a meal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

They get to go like to advanced sea lion class.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa.

MARCUS PARKS

And advanced advanced sea lion class.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And sometimes the trainers have sex with the students.

ED LARSON

But it was a success. And in 1989, George Millay and the boys sold SeaWorld to the Anheuser- Busch Corporation.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah! Beer did it!

ED LARSON

Yeah, man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. It would have been so much cooler if they filled all the fucking pools with beer.

ED LARSON

Just fucking whales hiccuping and shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it'd be fun as hell, man.

ED LARSON

So and they purchased SeaWorld and later Anheuser-Busch sold it to the Blackstone Group, those fuckers, in 2009 for $2.7 billion.

MARCUS PARKS

The Blackstone Group?

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

God, they sound like they sell whale meat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, Marcus.

ED LARSON

They own a little bit of everything.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, Marcus. They're only the world's largest alternative asset member with more than one trillion dollars underneath them. There's no way they got anything nefarious going on. Oh their address is right here in town in Santa Monica! Oh wow!

ED LARSON

Blackstone renamed the corporation to SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment. And in 2013 they sold 37% of the initial public offering. So we know there are a lot of people making a lot of money off of these parks today.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay. Of course.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I just still, besides the two of you, have you ever been to SeaWorld, Henry?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A million years ago in Florida.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I've never known anyone besides the two of you who have ever actually been to a SeaWorld. I don't know what a SeaWorld is.

ED LARSON

I mean-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a theme park aquarium.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but how is it? Are there rides?

ED LARSON

Now there are.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. There used to not be.

MARCUS PARKS

Okay.

ED LARSON

So in 2013, that documentary Blackfish came out after Dawn Brancheau was killed in Shamu Stadium in 2010. Now the movie was huge, it won an Oscar.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I remember.

ED LARSON

It decimated SeaWorld.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

So they added rides after the movie came out to get people to come back to the park.

MARCUS PARKS

Ah okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And Dawn was killed by the massive and known aggressive orca Tilikum, who was captured in the wild off of the coast of Iceland as a pup in 1983 and ended up being the largest orca in captivity until his death in 2017.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now in true Last Podcast on the Left fashion, was Tilikum molested? I want to know what made Tilikum so aggressive.

ED LARSON

You know, Henry-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And what really led to, was it a head injury? Was there a loss of status?

ED LARSON

I really hate to tell you this but in fact, it was all of those things.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow! See, this is honestly, I'm glad we're here.

MARCUS PARKS

No, the serial killer soup is like trans species, man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's incredible. Can you imagine getting killed in Shamu Stadium by getting killed by Shamu is like the same if you wrestled in Chris Benoit Arena.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Now I was gonna save this fact to the part of this where I tell you a bunch of killer whale facts. But a male killer whale can have an 8 ft penis.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey. But I mean that means he gets to molest more by the yard than a lot of guys.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I like how you called Tilikum known aggressive orca. It's like known sexual predators.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's a problem.

ED LARSON

Tilikum had previously killed two other people before the gruesome death of Dawn Brancheau. If he was known to have killed humans before, why was he performing with people for stadiums full of spectators?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know, why was R. Kelly allowed to go into any single bathroom unaccompanied?

ED LARSON

Phenomenal question. As of the time of this recording-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Peepee was his main weapon. We came for the raps but then everybody else was forced to experience the peepee.

ED LARSON

And the hotel lobby of course. As of the time of this recording, four people have been killed by orcas in captivity, Tilikum claiming three of those deaths.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No shit!

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And there are no reported human fatalities by the fins of orcas in the wild.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, like they are normally... Like now we're seeing an uptick in orcas attacking boats.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But mostly we're saying apparently that's larrikin orcas.

ED LARSON

It's a fad.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

They're calling it a fad.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because I did not know that. We talked a little bit of this on Side Stories, about how whales literally have fads, they act in weird kind of patterns.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like the ones where all the whales had the fishes on their heads.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, they have different languages for different regions.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Whales are incredible.

ED LARSON

They are unbelievable, very highly intelligent, emotional animals.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And they'll kill again.

ED LARSON

And today we're going to look at killer whales and the theme park industry, particularly SeaWorld, and why there are still killer whale shows to this day. Our main source materials today are the book 'Death At SeaWorld' by David Kirby and the film Blackfish directed by Gabriela Cowperthwaite.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh Wow. That is a difficult name.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is an extremely difficult name. Now people are asking why fish true crime now? And it's always been this way.

ED LARSON

Man, I remember I was so excited when it came out. I went and saw Blackfish in the theater and it was a fairly fun experience.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But it shouldn't have been.

ED LARSON

What do you mean?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because it was so sad.

ED LARSON

Yes. But what happened was, it was very serendipitous, I was in New York City, I got on the train, I went and met our buddy Trey Galyon at the Sunshine Theater. But while I was on the train, just like one of those out of nowhere massive rain storms came.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And completely fucking destroyed me. And I got out and I had to get from Delancey and Essex all the way to the Sunshine Theater.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I remember.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh that's a long walk.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know that walk.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It was a long walk and I was soaked to the bone. And I showed up soaked to the bone. I was like one for Blackfish, please.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was like you just came from SeaWorld.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm a big fat wet animal and I want to see a movie about another big fat wet animal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This just happened to me! I just survived!

ED LARSON

I literally was like you know how some people go see Batman dressed as Batman?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I dressed as one of Shamu's victims.

ED LARSON

I also thought it'd be hilarious if you were like hidden in the exit with a bucket of water and then whenever he like splashed in the movie-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Splash!

ED LARSON

You just went and got the front row.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the new 4DX.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, like Herschell Gordon Lewis used to do with The Tingler.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, the smell of it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. What they used to do is they put these little buzzers in seats and during certain scenes it would tingle.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It would ping your balls.

MARCUS PARKS

It would ping your balls, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm the Tingler.

ED LARSON

Now Henry, you can back me up on this. Even before the movie Blackfish came out or the death of Dawn Brancheau, one of my YouTube holes that I would go down to late at night were SeaWorld accidents.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, no. We spent hours-

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Years at your house at night stoned out of our minds, watching animals kill other animals, watching animals kill humans, watching this type because there's something fun about watching animals do it.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like animals attacking each other, like when I watch animal shows with Natalie, Natalie always roots for the innocent creature running from the predator.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I'm like the predator's gotta eat, right. He's gotta eat. They gotta live.

ED LARSON

That's the whole thing.

MARCUS PARKS

And we're talking about in the wild here. We're not talking about like dogfights or anything.

ED LARSON

No, no, no!

MARCUS PARKS

This is like in the wild. Like watching-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You said cruel, not cool, right?

MARCUS PARKS

Cruel.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, we're not watching dogfights. No, it's more like I like watching-

MARCUS PARKS

Or cockfights.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A rhino fight a bunch of tigers.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

No, no, nature.

MARCUS PARKS

Nature.

ED LARSON

Nature, nature, nature. But also SeaWorld accidents.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

There's just something comical about it to me. I mean what did they think was gonna happen? You put a 12,000 pound super dolphin in a tiny tank with humans and make them do tricks for food. Chaos is sure to happen.

MARCUS PARKS

It is.

ED LARSON

There's something about a total unstoppable force of nature that has always intrigued me. Tsunami footage, also something I can get lost watching.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well because tsunami footage is so fascinating because it's so slow yet so destructive.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I like tornado footage myself. When the tornado starts coming towards it, when people realize the tornado is coming towards them and they start running. That's what I love seeing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's very exciting.

MARCUS PARKS

Because I've experienced it and it's terrifying.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh.

ED LARSON

I can only imagine. Tornadoes are like the one thing I haven't been through yet. One day.

MARCUS PARKS

One day.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'll show you. Come with me.

ED LARSON

So the SeaWorld videos were fairly innocent, or so I thought. Occasionally a trainer would get whipped in the air the wrong way or Shamu would eat a pelican and you'd watch the trainers flip out and try to get the show back on track all while the lamest, whitest, fake African- inspired music played.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Send me on my way!

ED LARSON

Yeah. Imagine if Paul Simon had his testicles removed and had to record the rhythm of The Saints of Orlando with the creative notes coming from SeaWorld execs. That's the music they play.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) You know what it's like to be a fish. It is easy to be a fish. Fish like life. Who is my fish- like friends? No, Paul Simon honesty still was already fake African.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yes. No, no. But he was fine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Send me on my way! You know what I found too? I was reading the thing about the orcas purposely fishing for birds.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So they would go and they would spit out fish.

ED LARSON

I showed this on the Hamdate.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then they come and they eat the birds. But that's also showing that they are in circumstances where they're extremely bored.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And they're fucking highly intelligent.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

They hunt in the wild like no other animal does. Their brains, we'll get to it, are fucking 12 pounds. Which is one of the... Like pound for pound, dolphins have the biggest brains in the world.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that's why we make such excellent candles out of them.

ED LARSON

So the videos were always hilarious especially because we knew that Tilikum had previously killed a man. Not the first one in Sealand of the Pacific, that one wasn't a popular story here in America. That happened in Vancouver. I'm talking about the death of Daniel Dukes, a 27 year old scruffy-looking fella who on the night of July 6th, 1999, thought it would be a good idea to jump in Tilikum's tank and play with the majestic creature.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You and me, Tilikum, are having a night on the goddamn town. I hope you like champagne!

ED LARSON

Yeah, no. He definitely had white man dreads.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, buddy! I named each one after my favorite speaker during the civil rights movement.

ED LARSON

It was all over the news. Do you guys remember it?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, of course.

ED LARSON

No one felt bad for the guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No!

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

In fact, he was ridiculed for his ridiculous act, it was on like all the late night shows were making fun of him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, the killer whale didn't stalk him outside of his apartment and then hide in the closet and then wait for him to go to sleep and surprise attack him. He had to go to the whale.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah. SeaWorld even referred to him as a vagrant who climbed into the tank and drowned.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what? I identify as a vagrant and I take that offensively.

ED LARSON

The truth is when he was found by the staff in the morning, his body was mutilated and draped over the back of Tilikum.

MARCUS PARKS

He was draped over the back. So was he doing the thing? Because I've seen the videos-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was wearing him like a hat.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I've seen the videos of killer whales like popping seals up into the air.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Was he popping him into the air and he just fell?

ED LARSON

He had been playing with him for hours.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Aw.

ED LARSON

Yes. SeaWorld claims they had no security tape footage that night.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We don't know what happened.

ED LARSON

Yeah. So no one knows exactly what went down that night.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So why would they lie about not having the security footage? Like is it just because it was way more grisly than they wanted to tell?

ED LARSON

SeaWorld seems to me like they enjoy a good cover up.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I do understand.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because I think that if they were to show a picture of a killer whale covered in blood with blood in the water and a mutilated corpse, it might hurt ticket sales.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Possibly an arm or a leg that had got accidentally-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But not for us. We drove for two hours to see Snowtown. I think I would do the same thing. I feel like if they want the true crime audience, throw some blood in there.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like do it, fake it for us.

MARCUS PARKS

And if you're watching this on our Patreon, video on Patreon, you can see in the background the corrosive chemical sign. I bought that from an old man in Snowtown who had no sense of irony.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Absolutely none.

MARCUS PARKS

I paid $8 Australian dollarydoos for it.

ED LARSON

Man, I spent $10 on a fucking license plate. So stupid. I always jump the gun on these buying things.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But hey man, that's when you open your TGI Saturdays and you put it on the wall.

ED LARSON

But to assume that SeaWorld didn't have a security camera on a $10 million animal in a much more expensive facility is very hard to believe.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They absolutely had cameras on and they saw exactly what it was. They just did not want to bum people out.

ED LARSON

I'm sure they immediately deleted it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Daniel Dukes was by no means a normal American.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well he wasn't a racist. He wasn't connected to David Duke, was he?

ED LARSON

No, no. But he was from South Carolina so maybe. No, it's Dukes with an S. I almost wrote David every single time in the script.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You just wanted to, you just miss him.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Talk about someone I wanna see get ripped apart by a killer whale.

MARCUS PARKS

No, couldn't be related to David Duke. But he could be related to Daisy Dukes.

ED LARSON

Ooh!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ooh! Cute.

ED LARSON

Daniel lived a freewheeling lifestyle. He loved music and animals.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He better.

ED LARSON

And seemed to not be fond of responsibility.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think anybody climbed into a killer whale tank is necessarily like always on the up and up.

ED LARSON

He backpacked all around America and eventually landed in Florida, as lots of individuals do.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And when you say backpack, you think I carried my things in a backpack? No, friend. I hid inside of a backpack and someone put me in the back of a bus and drove me around. And that shit was hella awesome. I was a textbook.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Florida seems to be the end of the road for a lot of people.

ED LARSON

Oh yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well it's because it's great. It's a haven for con men.

ED LARSON

It's where you go to be forgotten.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He had a couple of small brushes with the law, some petty theft and marijuana convictions. He lived with the Hari Krishna community for a little while, it didn't work out. He was like I'm out, peace!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I am sick of the quiet singing.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And so he left South Florida and started to go north. And a couple of days before his death he actually spent a couple of days in jail, in an Indian River County jail for stealing a Three Musketeers bar for breakfast.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Aw, why? Oh that shouldn't be a crime.

ED LARSON

And then on July 4th-5th, he was spotted inside the park by staff. They noticed him because he had dreadlocks and he was also hitting on a lot of the ladies.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hi! Hi, whale! Hi, Mr. Shamu! Can I come inside there? Hi! Hey lady, you look like a whale I can ride.

MARCUS PARKS

Do you offer discounts for vagrants?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah! I ain't got no home.

ED LARSON

I believe the way they put it in the book seemed similar to that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I gotta tell you, lady, most girls love this. I just wanna let you know before I start. Second of all is do those udders provide milk or is it the back udders? Can I squeeze your butt just a little bit?

ED LARSON

Oh the butt is back udders.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm just curious as all hell. Curious as a little cat.

ED LARSON

So when he wasn't hitting on chicks, he watched the Shamu show repeatedly. And security noticed him but didn't pay him much mind.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, excuse me, Shamu. How did you book this gig? Because I got a feeling.

ED LARSON

You paying for them fish?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wait a second, you get free fish and all you gotta do is slap around inside the water?

ED LARSON

And so on July 5th when the park closed, Daniel hid close to the Shamu Stadium. And when the coast was clear, he hopped out of the gate to G pool, disrobed down to his underwear, boxer shorts, I believe, and he went towards the tank. And on this particular night, Tilikum was the resident in that pool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man, I could see him putting a shower cap on, getting that big brush. Being like we are all bathing tonight real deep. Can't wait to snuggle with you, Shamu. Let's gonna put on a show. Let's watch some 20/20. Yeah, that's my favorite. You guys get cable in this water? The whole reason I'm making fun of this man or talking in this character is just this idea of like man, that killer whale is gonna love me.

ED LARSON

Yeah. I mean it's a ridiculous thing.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's gonna love me. It's like every drug dealer I've ever had, being like can't wait to talk about FIFA with you, friend.

ED LARSON

We all know when someone jumps into the enclosure at the zoo, it doesn't end well.

MARCUS PARKS

No. No, no, no. At that point, I would say unless you're a child who fell in, you deserve everything that's coming to you.

ED LARSON

No one's rooting for you.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh can you imagine if you jumped into the jail cell with Carl Panzram and said I dare you to kill me? It's the same thing.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually I think there was a woman, I half heard this on the news this morning, there was a woman who jumped into a tiger enclosure yesterday I think.

ED LARSON

That happens more than you think.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

ED LARSON

Remember when someone did it at the Bronx Zoo and they took its foot?

MARCUS PARKS

They took the woman's foot?

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It might have been a dude, I can't remember.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Regardless, 7:05 July 6th the next morning, a worker arrived to a ghastly sight. At first he didn't realize what he actually saw. He thought there was a large white toy on Tilikum's back. But upon further inspection, it was not a toy. It was the nude, lifeless body of Daniel Dukes. Staff was notified and Tilikum allowed himself to be wrangled into another area.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I didn't do shit. I didn't do shit!

ED LARSON

I didn't see nothing! Allegedly I was in the tank.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I blacked out. Yeah, there was a rage of course, he entered into my section and for a while we were hanging out. Yeah, it did seem to be consensual. But next thing you know he started choking me during intercourse and I blacked out.

ED LARSON

But when they fished out Dukes, he had multiple bite marks, was extremely bruised, and had drag marks all along his body. His boxer shorts were found at the bottom of the pool. And Tilikum gingerly had removed his left nut and they found it at the bottom of the pool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So he gnawed off his ball?

ED LARSON

He opened his scrotum. They're like doctors with scalpels, these things. He opened his scrotum, removed a single testicle, spit it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What if it turns out it had cancer in it? Wouldn't that be amazing?

ED LARSON

That's the test they shoulda run!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh my god. It turns out that it was going to kill him anyway.

ED LARSON

He tried to save his life!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is a doctor, not a whale.

ED LARSON

But they found the nut at the bottom of the pool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh well. The old Hitler special.

ED LARSON

Among Dukes' possessions were a cigarette stuffed with weed-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Are these possessions or are these leavings?

ED LARSON

Some beads, $2 in cash, and no admission ticket was found.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow, he climbed the fence.

ED LARSON

SeaWorld to this day calls him a trespasser and a vagrant and they're trying to save face of course.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I would say he is a trespasser, he is a vagrant.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They are disavowing him.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yes, yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're saying they're not in with him. He did technically arrive dressed up as a penguin.

ED LARSON

But where's the video?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He dressed up as a penguin. It's because they don't want... I do see-

ED LARSON

Maybe he won a bet. And they were like you know what? You go in the tank.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

If he showed up just like-

ED LARSON

We don't know, we don't see, we've never seen the video.

MARCUS PARKS

You never know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well he was so high when we arrived, we assumed he was special needs. So we decided his Make-A-Wish could be 'let's give him a ride in the tank'.

MARCUS PARKS

Yup. And it all went horribly wrong.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Sure, he wasn't invited in the tank. But one would think it wouldn't be so easy for him to sneak in and jump in the tank. How was there no security around the largest animal in the largest attraction at SeaWorld Orlando?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think only because only a moron would climb into the aquarium with a thing called a killer whale.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the only thing is that it's because...

ED LARSON

7/11s have security guards.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I agree.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but no one's gonna shoplift a killer whale.

ED LARSON

You think so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey man, I saw fucking Ace Ventura.

MARCUS PARKS

That was a dolphin.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Critics claim that he was led to believe that the whales were not dangerous by the messaging that SeaWorld puts out over around their whales. One claiming that they turned Tilikum into Mickey Mouse.

MARCUS PARKS

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well yeah, that's if you also apply SeaWorld's advertising to dabs. Like you know. I could see why you think that it's... You're watching it over and over again.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And if you're some sort of drug-addled... I'm not gonna say, I'm just gonna say man with no necessarily goal. Man with not an identifiable goal, right, not a vagrant. And he's here watching the show again and again and again. And they're probably at some point truly-

ED LARSON

He probably was just like losing his mind happy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, just being like whoa, this is fucking... I'm here, dude!

ED LARSON

Like a week ago he was Hari Krishna. Two days ago he was in jail for stealing candy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Literally. If you got arrested for stealing candy, that's even stranger in and of itself.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like that you got caught. And so he's there probably watching trainers react to this animal, not really understanding, like most people do. Like people come to stand up shows and think you just necessarily make it up as you go.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like people do stuff like that where it's like he's probably looking at these trainers being like I can totally do that. Birds love me.

ED LARSON

Yeah. So also check out this quote from Ken Balcomb, an orca activist, said this about Tilikum in an interview that week.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You pull them out of their element and you've already got a potential delinquent. You put them in a captive situation where they are locked in a small space with limited context. Basically you're building a cycle. It's true!

MARCUS PARKS

I'm sure that's exactly how the orca activist talks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Basically I'll tell you what, if it wasn't for how small our vaginas are, more whales would do more to us if they could. But they don't like the split noise. They're not turned on by it.

ED LARSON

Well SeaWorld rebuked the claim suggesting that the death was hypothermia and drowning.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Absolutely not.

MARCUS PARKS

How did they explain the testicle?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey man, your balls sometimes... I wish they could escape me.

ED LARSON

Yeah. They said that Tilikum was not responsible. But the coroner's report did not list hypothermia as a cause of death and Tilikum attacked Dukes while he was still alive.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dukes attacked Tilikum!

ED LARSON

Dukes was hugging Tilikum.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's an attack to a whale.

ED LARSON

Almost every part of Duke's body had been beaten up. Also his blood work came back clear of all drugs including marijuana.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Thank god I ate that apple cider vinegar before my fucking work interview. But I do want to tell the story too because I did research the concept.

ED LARSON

What?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You remember the brothers that went after the Siberian tiger?

ED LARSON

Oh the Christmas at the San Francisco Zoo.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, this was on Christmas Day. This was at the San Francisco Zoo and these two brothers, Kulbir and Amritpal Dhaliwal, arrived hammered, high, throwing nachos and screaming at a tiger.

ED LARSON

Yeah. I believe a can as well.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes. And then the tiger jumped the far too short for regulation fence because they measured it wrong. It was supposed to be 20 ft tall, 16 ft tall by regulations. It turned out to only be 12 ft tall.

ED LARSON

That tiger also sat there for fucking years.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And the tiger finally said fuck this shit and killed one of the brothers.

ED LARSON

On Christmas?!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

On Christmas! You come into my fucking house on the lord's day! He was also Catholic. They knew the tiger was Catholic. And then he killed one of the people and attacked the other two in front of a concession stand and they had to shoot the poor tiger, which made me feel bad for the tiger. He just got pushed to its limit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Of course. And it was, yeah, the cops came and shot him.

MARCUS PARKS

Well what happened yesterday was a woman in New Jersey at the Cohanzick Zoo-

ED LARSON

Never been.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's in Bridgeton.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh Bridgeton!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

My favorite place to get drunk and punch myself in the face.

MARCUS PARKS

She climbed over a wooden fence and tried to touch a tiger. She was almost bit but then she skidded away. And now police are looking for her.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That doesn't count.

ED LARSON

That's one fat, lazy tiger.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually I'm looking at a picture of the tiger right now. It is very fat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's good.

ED LARSON

Man, there is one tiger at the Cincinnati Zoo that I go and I look at it. And I don't know, it's definitely got some mental problems.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's just upset.

ED LARSON

But before we go any further into the abuse of Tilikum leading to him killing two other humans, we have to talk about orcas in general. Don't worry this isn't gonna turn into too much of a science project but I figure we gotta talk about some of this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is his version of wagon manifests.

ED LARSON

Yeah. No, this is very like bathroom book facts about orcas you just need to know.

MARCUS PARKS

I love this!

ED LARSON

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So killer whales are not whales.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Propaganda!

ED LARSON

They are a type of dolphin called Orcinus orca or orca for short.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I didn't know they're dolphins.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, I didn't know they're dolphins either.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, they're dolphins. Yeah. They're not whales.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow.

ED LARSON

But some people call them whales still. I don't know, it's very confusing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I just feel like are they a hybrid like my RAV4?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Like a whalephin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whalephin.

ED LARSON

They have another thing called false killer whales. Have you seen these guys?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

ED LARSON

Oh my god. They look like Shamu fucked a xenomorph. They're terrifying-looking.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Where are they from?

ED LARSON

I don't know, I don't know exactly where they're from. But they have them at some of the SeaWorld parks as well.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa, they are!

MARCUS PARKS

Oh my god.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It looks like it's been outfitted by the guys that have Punisher symbols on their cars.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa, it's like matte.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah. They look like a Dodge Challenger.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa! That's so cool. That's so tubular. I wanna drive to see Fast & Furious movies while me exactly-wife is yelling at me on speakerphone!

ED LARSON

Yeah. But they're also a dolphin.

MARCUS PARKS

Why does it look so much greasier than a regular dolphin or a whale?

ED LARSON

I know, it looks crazy, right?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's cool.

ED LARSON

Yes, I love a false killer whale. All right, so out of anything talked about on this show before, they are the perfect killers. All right?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Males in the wild live from 30-60 years and can get up to 32 ft long and weigh up to 13,000 pounds. Females can live from 50-90 years in the wild and can get up to 22 ft long and up to 11,000 pounds. That's roughly 40 times the size of a human.

MARCUS PARKS

Jeez.

ED LARSON

All right? There's two types of orcas, transient and resident.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And one can vote and one can't?

ED LARSON

Actually yes. Transient orcas are just as they sound, they have no particular home and in the wild can swim up to 100 miles a day.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So they choose this life?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It seems like it. And resident orcas live in one place. So you'll see the same pod in the Puget Sound.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it's just random. Or is it a type of whale? Entirely different.

ED LARSON

They are different types of the same whale.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Interesting.

ED LARSON

Now resident orcas, pretty much their diet consists mostly of fish and kelp. Whereas transient orcas are known to eat other sea mammals such as seals, other dolphins, and sometimes even smaller whales.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow, they're cannibals?

ED LARSON

Yes. Well no, other whales. Like smaller whales.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So the transient ones have to fight harder in this life.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But the resident ones, you need to require probably a steady food supply, nug.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All sorts of shit.

ED LARSON

Now but the resident whales will kick the shit out of a transient whale if they show up in its neighborhood.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because they're looking to fuck.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because the transient whale shows up, it's looking a fuck, right. And you're like no, that's my resident ass whale wife.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You can't come in here and fuck my wife, buddy, just because you're in from out of town, all right.

ED LARSON

And they're usually in pods but also there's lone male transient orcas as well.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. That is like their version of serial killers.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, I've seen those transient orcas that pop the seal up into the air 20 ft and then just do it over and over again until the seal is dead. It's incredible.

ED LARSON

We'll get to that in a second.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I just see him walking around with like the Jeffrey Dahmer glasses on.

ED LARSON

Here's another fun one. Killer whales have no sense of smell. Yeah, they have great eyesight but that doesn't help when hunting at night or in murky waters. They survive and thrive on echolocation. They release a series of clicks and noises and listen for the echo.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So that's when they are going like (dolphin sounds).

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That is like sending out iMessages.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And they use this to not run into rocks, boats, etc. Also to locate prey and other orcas in this manner.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Which also kind of speaks to the fact that they might know the difference between various preys and boats. Like obviously they're playing because now what we're seeing with the orcas doing this weird behavior, attacking the boats, like they know they're boats.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Oh yeah, they know they're boats. They also can tell if it's a salmon or a trout by the echolocation.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So can I, by the market price.

ED LARSON

And also they can tell the dimensions of the air in the bladder of another mammal.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now that is just so that you could also tell what kind of animal it is, I imagine. I imagine that's like-

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's like their heat signature.

ED LARSON

If it's a dolphin or a seal or whatever. They also can echolocate near and distant targets simultaneously which scientists don't really understand.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I remember from Ecco the video game.

ED LARSON

Yes. Yeah, Ecco the Dolphin.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I never learned how to play that game. I just swam around on the first level for a while and then...

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's really all I ever did with it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was otherwise not a very interesting game.

MARCUS PARKS

It was a renter.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I remember. Well no, Ecco was the one that came with the system.

ED LARSON

Yeah. It was either that, Sonic, or Greendog.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah and I already had Sonic and Greendog was stupid.

ED LARSON

I love Greendog!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I hated Greendog.

ED LARSON

Really?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I liked Sonic.

MARCUS PARKS

Greendog?

ED LARSON

He was the surfer with the big nose. You'll recognize him when you see him. Anyway, echolocation does not work through kelp. Salmon therefore hide in the kelp. Orcas over dolphins have figured this out and just tear up kelp whenever they see it, hoping that fish are hanging out in there.

MARCUS PARKS

Greendog the Beached Surfer Dude!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah dude, that brings you all the way back, dog.

MARCUS PARKS

I've never-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a total garbage game.

MARCUS PARKS

It's incredible. I've never heard of this game in my entire life.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man.

ED LARSON

Yeah, man. Sonic won.

MARCUS PARKS

All right.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it totally sucks.

MARCUS PARKS

Please continue.

ED LARSON

Orcas never fully sleep because they can't breathe underwater.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And sleep is a cousin of death.

ED LARSON

It is. For orcas it definitely it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

They remain partially conscious so they don't drown. One half of their brain sleeps at a time and only for a handful of minutes at a time.

MARCUS PARKS

That's crazy.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's crazy, man.

ED LARSON

Orcas in the wild will babysit younger orcas in their pod when it's needed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're just saying this because orcas, they got like fairly layered intelligence.

ED LARSON

They're geniuses.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But for orcas.

ED LARSON

I don't know, man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you see one learn how to play the flute and put together a fantastic new instrumental album out of nowhere?

ED LARSON

If it had fingers.

MARCUS PARKS

Man.

ED LARSON

They definitely sing songs.

MARCUS PARKS

I think about it a lot, how like whales and dolphins, they probably have an inner life and an entire society.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That we don't understand.

MARCUS PARKS

So many things that we don't understand, don't know about. They just swim around and have fun all the time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well dolphins, well some of it's quite harrowing, Marcus.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh I know some of it is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You think it's all fun and games? I don't think The Little Mermaid was a documentary. I don't think they're down there playing jazz and playing instruments on it and wondering if they're gonna get fucked. And they're not all made out of fucking great... They don't have great bodies.

MARCUS PARKS

(scatting Under The Sea) That's all I'm thinking about.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't think it's like that. No, I don't think it is like that. I think it's hard to be a dolphin and I think honestly a lot of them should just get into coding.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, get that side hustle. That's what dolphins need. Side hustle.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Need a side hustle.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Really make their life miserable.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

OnlyFins. I'm angry at myself. I'm angry at myself.

ED LARSON

Henrytunes.com.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

One of their favorite meals? Great white shark liver.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ooh! Me too.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah. They're known to kill great whites, rip out their livers, share them with their friends, and discard the rest of the carcass.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cool.

MARCUS PARKS

That's incredible.

ED LARSON

Yeah. They've also been known to eat deer and moose if they swim out too far.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I bet. I bet.

ED LARSON

But they don't eat humans which is bizarre.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well it's because normally, see from what I have read with humans and predatory animals is that we legit don't taste good.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that we are just never considered to be the number one meal for any apex predator because of how difficult we are to catch.

ED LARSON

They should just kill us though.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They could.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They could have back in the day, they could have stopped this human experiment real early if they had wanted to. But we are just never, they don't eat enough of us. They don't like our taste.

ED LARSON

Yeah. They also enjoy playing with their food.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cool.

ED LARSON

Sometimes for hours. Planet Earth has great footage of killer whales tossing around a seal back and forth, hurling it into the air to just rip it to shreds after a very long torture session, sometimes lasting hours.

MARCUS PARKS

(David Attenborough voice) The killer whale has been seen to play with its prey for hours on end.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The reason why you're hearing this type is this is the last thing you'll ever experience. I'm gonna tie you down and I'm gonna gape you big. Next thing I know I'm gonna have my dog have its way with you.

ED LARSON

To be honest-

MARCUS PARKS

David Parker Killer Whale.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Scientists don't know exactly why they do this. Maybe it's for fun.

MARCUS PARKS

David Orca Ray.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

David Orca Ray!

ED LARSON

David Orca Ray, there it is.

MARCUS PARKS

So jetlagged.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, we're getting back in the pocket.

MARCUS PARKS

Things are a little slow, yeah.

ED LARSON

The reason, well one thing I think is that maybe it's because the sea mammals fight back that it can't be for fun. Other scientists think it helps with their digestive system.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I bet you it's something like that there's also something to intelligence involving play, whether that is the thing that comes up a lot of the time. There are a lot of animals. So it mostly seems to be also to express energy. But it must have some form of... Technically if it's there, it must have some kind of Darwinist reason for being there.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It helps them. Because it's a behavior that is learned and kept up. So it's like they all watch other whales do it and then they do it and it means something. It must be about them either building community-

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Grassroots campaigning.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then maybe a lot of it... But yeah, it might just help them, like a nice 10 minute walk after you eat.

ED LARSON

Well they say orcas usually swallow their food whole which is hard on the stomach. So the flopping around of a seal might help take its skin off.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh like tenderize it.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Make it soft.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow!

ED LARSON

Yeah. They also learn to eat certain parts of animals like the shark liver or penguin breast. They rip the breast off penguins and only eat that and leave the rest of it behind.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Interesting.

ED LARSON

And then they've also been known to remove salmon heads before swallowing the rest of the fish because the heads don't digest as well.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa! And it gets stuck in their assholes like little bits of corn.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And they know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow! That's interesting.

ED LARSON

Yeah. No, thank you.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I mean but that's the thing is stuff like that has to be taught.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Like they have to be talking to each other and tell them like don't all over the salmon head.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Or it's all watching them do it and then they all just mock the behavior and then it does serve a purpose.

ED LARSON

Yeah. They do have different dialects.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Like a whale from Washington won't understand a whale from Nova Scotia or Iceland or anything like that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I'm still in enough of free speech jail that I won't do the Asian whale accent here.

ED LARSON

That's because they've all been killed. Here's something cute. They love community, we all know that, they love their pods, they have big families.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

And they have smaller families and extended families. But they also assist each other in calf birth in the wild. The mother will swim around in circles, give birth, and then the other whales will lift the pup up to the surface and help it breathe. And then after they could be seen celebrating, jumping in the air, excited that a new orca has joined the pod.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa! One more, yeah! One more of us, yeah!

ED LARSON

They are clearly a highly intelligent and emotional animal with extremely large brains. Dolphins in general have the largest brain to body ratio of all animals. Now that the trivial pursuit of animal facts is over for now, let's talk about SeaWorld and how they acquire these magnificent animals.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well I know that it ain't easy.

ED LARSON

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it's also not super good to the animal. I remember reading about Ringling, about how when he used to get elephants for the circus. They used to do a thing where they'd go to Africa, they'd get something like 100 elephants because they knew they needed to get three for the circus.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because that's how many would live in the transit from where they were taken to America.

ED LARSON

God, just imagine dump dead elephants off the side of a train. Just that's your job.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no. Definitely created probably a number of cryptids and it probably fed whole various nations of the kirkus and the snerkus.

MARCUS PARKS

Interesting connection there. Barnum's most famous elephant, Jumbo, was killed when he was hit by a train.

ED LARSON

Whoa!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Some say saving a small boy.

ED LARSON

Really?

MARCUS PARKS

Some say.

ED LARSON

Some say.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Some say! That's how they sold it.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean PT Barnum was the master of bullshitters.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So I think it was Barnum say.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes, yes.

ED LARSON

So as we said earlier, SeaWorld had four US locations, now they have three US locations. And they recently opened up another one in Dubai of all places.

MARCUS PARKS

Dubai is just... I've heard someone describe it as Linkedin with slave labor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes, yes, yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Like it's a horrible, horrible... It seems like just a horrible place that shouldn't exist.

ED LARSON

I'm terrified of it, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a tribute to human misery.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. So now let's add animals into it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, of course.

MARCUS PARKS

Let's take orcas to the fucking desert.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, they shouldn't be there. It should be where the water is. At least Orlando is natural. Well it's sort of close to the water.

ED LARSON

So they have all these locations and the Shamu show is obviously the biggest draw. So they gotta keep getting as many whales as possible.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, Shamu is never... Shamu is just the name of like the brand. There was an original Shamu.

ED LARSON

Shamu was the first killer whale brought to the San Diego Zoo in the 1960s. Now Shamu is the stage name for all orcas that perform at SeaWorld.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay, okay.

ED LARSON

Like Flipper.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like Joe Biden, like the guy that is now Joe Biden.

ED LARSON

Yes. Yeah, Mr. Harris.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. The fact that he was cloned several months ago.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that's the reason why.

MARCUS PARKS

And the clones don't last so long, that's why he looks like-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, they degrade.

MARCUS PARKS

They degrade very easily, yeah.

ED LARSON

So all the whales have other names. But let's go through a quick yet confusing history of these particular killer whales. Also just so you know, SeaWorld refuses to use the term orca and only calls their performers killer whales.

MARCUS PARKS

Really?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because that's a more marketable name for a creature that you can go pay to see, I imagine.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh much, much more.

MARCUS PARKS

And you don't feel as bad watching a killer whale get mistreated.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I guess, yeah. Honestly that is very interesting.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I never thought about it that way. Because then you're like well that's a dangerous ass animal, it's a good thing it's in there instead of out there.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep.

ED LARSON

SeaWorld has three ways of acquiring orcas. In the old days, they were captured in the wild and sold to aquariums and marine zoos. This practice was done in Iceland, Canada, and off the coast of Washington State. No longer happens in these places for ethical reasons. It's a disgusting practice, we'll get more into it in the next episode.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Especially when they make these whales book their own bringers. They gotta go show up and they're supposed to do 10 minutes. They gotta do three impressions.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you have an idea? Just dropping that in some character actor's lap? Oh you gotta come up with three impressions. You know what I mean? It's a whale, how much is the whale gonna do? If you're already playing Shamu-

ED LARSON

Now you're venting.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

How do they get these gigs?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Iceland still whales. There's still this huge argument within Iceland itself as to whether whaling is wrong or not.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Doesn't seem like they have much to do over there.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Except to see us live.

ED LARSON

Yeah, man. Come check us out in Reykjavik.

MARCUS PARKS

Come see us in Reykjavik.

ED LARSON

Don't bring the whales.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

You gotta buy at least four tickets for a whale.

MARCUS PARKS

They've been doing it since the 12th century, they got it down pat.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Well Russia recently, a couple of years ago, has been continuing the practice of capturing orcas and selling them to zoos and aquariums in China. If you want to learn more about this, there's an amazing article called 'Why Defenders of killer Whales are Worried about China' by Leah Thompson. Give it a read. They also buy killer whales from other theme parks when they're down and out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh so they flip whales.

ED LARSON

Yes. SeaWorld also, because a lot of times when they hunted these whales in the wild back in the 70s and 80s, they would capture a couple of the babies and then they would throw them out to other zoos. These zoos start closing down, SeaWorld's buying the same whales from the same pods and now they're mingling back in with each other.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So they're making money on top of the whale money they're already making.

ED LARSON

It's crazy. So they buy whales from other theme parks when they're down and out. And of course they've come under scrutiny for breeding the orcas in the parks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So they are not allowed to breed them.

ED LARSON

They have stopped breeding them in the parks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Is it just because of the #MeToo movement?

ED LARSON

The uproar.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah, the uproar, people hated it. Oddly enough, Steve-O helped stop that.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

ED LARSON

Yeah. When he he climbed a giant crane and brought a giant Shamu pool inflatable up there with him and wrote SeaWorld Sucks on it. And the fire department had to get him down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, I always say Mr. Rogers said look for the helpers.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And you never know when they come.

ED LARSON

And then he also climbed the sign going into SeaWorld Drive, he climbed up there as well and crossed out Drive and wrote Sucks.

MARCUS PARKS

Nice.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow!

ED LARSON

Yeah. So Steve-O has actually drawn a lot of attention and helped stop the breeding in captivity of orcas.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's incredible.

ED LARSON

SeaWorld has a history of moving their whales around the country from location to location to help the breeding process.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well it seems to be a lot like priests. When one of these whales fuck up or one of these animals fuck up, they just move them. They just move them to another spot.

ED LARSON

Yeah, man. It's complex and sad but also important to the story of Tilikum. And here's a breakdown laid out well by David Kirby in the book 'Death at SeaWorld'.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So now this is where you're saying this is gonna be very sad.

ED LARSON

This is gonna be sad and also a little confusing. And so-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's my favorite.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's great for podcasts.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I love this!

MARCUS PARKS

Sad and confusing. Let's just all go watch Dancer in the Dark, why don't we?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I remember that? It's so quiet!

ED LARSON

So Katina is the matriarch whale of the Orlando whales. And by 1991 she was one of three left there.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay. So there was many whales there, now there's only three. She's the main mama bitch.

ED LARSON

Yes. Katina was captured off the coast of Iceland in October 1978 when she was two or three at the time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Which is also when we got Martina Navratilova.

ED LARSON

Yes. See this is very young for a female orca to be separated from its mother. Female orcas will stay by their mother's side up to 15 years. Some even stay close to their mother after they themselves have had a calf of their own.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Is this not how to make its own girl whale boss in a way?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Get away from the traditional gender roles of whales.

ED LARSON

Well actually the lady whales are usually in charge.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh okay, Kamala.

ED LARSON

In some cases, 3-4 generations of females swim in close proximity to each other.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay.

ED LARSON

Orcas usually first mature to give birth at the age of 15. Katina was 9 when SeaWorld made her have her first calf.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Was her trainer Matt Gaetz?

ED LARSON

He was in Florida! In 1984, Katina was impregnated in San Diego by a much larger orca, Winston, who was captured off the coast of Washington in 1970. Winston was purchased by SeaWorld San Diego in 1976 after spending time at a UK amusement park where he got the shitty name Winston of course.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(British accent) Of course my name's big old Winston. I'm ready to fuck. Yeah, you bring her out there, I'll give her a big quick shag.

ED LARSON

Winston himself was rounded up in a notorious mass capture in Penn Cove, Washington.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(British accent) Where were you at? Penn Cove, there, guv? Scooped us up, took me to a place where I could fuck all willy nilly. Best night of life.

ED LARSON

Now I know what you're thinking, this isn't gonna turn into the killer whale episode of Some Place Under Neith.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Where are the whales?

ED LARSON

But these highly intelligent, emotional animals were trafficked for many years, just stating the facts.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

ED LARSON

Katina was then shipped back to Orlando to give birth there because she was pregnant.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that is very much a pastime in Florida. Getting pregnant as a child and have birth in-state.

ED LARSON

That's honestly what happened to my family. And that's what she did. September 26th, 1985, Katina gave birth to the first orca ever born in captivity, Kalina.

MARCUS PARKS

All right.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So her name's Katina, the baby's named Kalina.

MARCUS PARKS

Right.

ED LARSON

Correct. I have photographic evidence of me there with my family soon after this happened.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

ED LARSON

As a fellow big baby born in Orlando, my family took me to see baby Shamu to pay respect.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly it feels like a very passive-aggressive 'you're not that big'. Oh he thinks he's the biggest baby.

ED LARSON

Yeah. The birth of Kalina, baby Shamu, was a media sensation even more than my own.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

ED LARSON

Yeah. See Winston-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is all about jealousy.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

It really is because you only got one newspaper article and this baby was covered.

ED LARSON

I got articles all across the country! They were talking about me in Chicago, they were talking about me in Alaska!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They shouldn't have been though.

ED LARSON

People were sending sweaters.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It sounds like they were trying to traffic you. You know what I mean? I dare you to traffic this big baby.

ED LARSON

They couldn't find a car seat big enough. Winston was unable to celebrate the birth of his daughter because he died seven months later in San Diego from a heart attack.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's because men are expendable.

ED LARSON

He was 19 when he died.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Damn, dog.

ED LARSON

And remember orcas have a life expectancy of 30-60 years.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Did he have to go to the Gulf War?

ED LARSON

I think he died before that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

ED LARSON

Baby Shamu brought in millions of visitors. So what happens in show business when you're a hit?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah!

ED LARSON

They put you on tour!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Come on, baby! Do the hits!

ED LARSON

Yeah. So in 1990 at four years old, Kalina hit the road. Remember female orcas stay with their mothers for 15 years in the wild.

MARCUS PARKS

So if we're like talking the orcas is actual like-

ED LARSON

Intelligent beings.

MARCUS PARKS

Animals with intelligence. So we're talking like generational trauma with these whales.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Or dolphins.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And every time they're ripped apart from their families, the mother screams for years.

MARCUS PARKS

Years.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Jesus.

ED LARSON

It is very upsetting. So they hit the road with baby Kalina. Her first stop was Ohio. She was first to perform at a premature age with orcas she did not know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just take the word orca out and replace it with Lindsay Lohan and it's exactly the same. It's exactly the same story.

ED LARSON

She then did shows in San Diego and in the very tank that her father died. And then finally ended her tour in San Antonio.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey man, booked and busy.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

This is so fucking sad.

ED LARSON

I know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's extremely sad.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh my god. You end the two year tour and you end up in San Antonio.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh!

ED LARSON

Yes. And while she was in Texas at six years old, she got pregnant.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

ED LARSON

And we all know how hard it is to get an abortion in that state. Her baby daddy was Kotar.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Kotar!

ED LARSON

Yeah, a smaller orca captured off the coast of Iceland.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Short king!

ED LARSON

He had been shipped around the SeaWorld parks as well. Kotar had a tough time at the parks because of his size. He was often bullied by the other whales, male and female alike.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't let anybody fucking do that to you, Kotar. It's all about the fucking motion of the ocean.

ED LARSON

That's right.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Most of the time, the fucking female whales just want you to be confident. It's not about you being big, it's about showing up and saying I'm the man to be here to fuck.

ED LARSON

All right. So we got many killer whales in the mix now.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

SeaWorld was for lack of a better term killing it and ranking in millions of dollars of profit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And they are loving this.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just printing money, nothing but baby whales and everybody loves it.

ED LARSON

Yeah. They started to acquire other orcas to keep up with demand. They often would get orcas from parks that were not doing as well as them. In 1987, Orlando bought a large moody orca from a place called Marineland, Ontario. He was a transient orca, not a resident orca like all the other orcas, that was caught off the coast of Victoria, British Columbia. His name was Kanduke, a big old aggressive boy because his diet consisted of mammals like seals, while Kotar, being from Iceland, grew up eating fish.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, they were just hanging out.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The different kinds of guys.

ED LARSON

Trainers were not allowed to be in the water with Kanduke because he was a transient orca and was more dangerous.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And Kanduke is the opposite of Marcus on vacation because Marcus on vacation was Can't Duke.

MARCUS PARKS

Ah. It took 2.5 weeks in Australia and it became distressing.

ED LARSON

Really? It took that long.

MARCUS PARKS

It took a long time. I got regular the day before we left.

ED LARSON

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man. It's called traveling. It's called your belly hurts.

ED LARSON

Don't eat so... Do you eat cheese a lot?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He needs more roughage, I talked with him.

MARCUS PARKS

No, I ate good.

ED LARSON

He did eat good, we ate together.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

All right. Well we'll shake you a bunch if you need next time.

MARCUS PARKS

Thanks.

ED LARSON

Also Kanduke showed signs of aggression and self-harm. He was known to ram his own head into the wall until bleeding.

MARCUS PARKS

Jesus.

ED LARSON

And sometimes when the trainers arrived in the morning, bugs would be swarming around his wounds.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now it's just very interesting because like people, Kotar is like oh no.

ED LARSON

This is Kanduke.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is Kanduke, I know. But Kotar is like oh shit, they just brought this big troubled crazy guy in here that I gotta deal with like he's in fucking gen pop in prison.

ED LARSON

Exactly. And then one day in Orlando Kanduke and Kotar got in a big old fight in front of everybody.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa.

ED LARSON

They repeatedly beached themselves on the side out and would scream in anger and frustration.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa, that's kind of fun though as people at SeaWorld kind of watching it. But it's not good.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I mean do you want to be there that day or not? I don't know.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, the screaming day?

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well just watching the two whales fight each other is kinda fun.

ED LARSON

Well at the peak of the battle, the little guy Kotar, fresh out of ideas, bit Kanduke on the penis, severely wounding him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what my father told me is that there's no such thing as a fair fight. You just have to do it. You gotta win. If you gotta punch a guy in the dick, you gotta pull out his eyeballs, that's what you gotta do.

ED LARSON

That's what Kotar did.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man. It's fucking short kings, man. Short kings rule.

ED LARSON

And they punished him and sent him back to San Antonio.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Worst thing you could possibly do.

ED LARSON

And that's where he mated with Kalina.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

ED LARSON

And gave birth to their son named Keet.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh whoa, are they all from the Palin family? I like that they all hung out together. I mean he just got to go fuck.

ED LARSON

Basically. And Keet stayed in San Antonio and Kalina was finally shipped back to Orlando and reunited with her mother Katina after being separated for almost five years. She was also pregnant again from Kotar.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Damn, they need condoms.

ED LARSON

This was less than one year after the birth of Keet. The gestational period for killer whales is usually 17-18 months in the wild. They usually wait five years between calves.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But if we've learned anything from Alabama, the best part about it is that fucking is free. You know what I mean? It's easy to do. It's fun to do, it don't cost money to gush inside.

ED LARSON

Well Kalina's second calf, Keto, was born in Orlando. She's around five years old at this point, one third of the age of most killer whale mothers. Keto would grow up to be an angry fucker, just after Tilikum of course. Also SeaWorld wasn't even slowing down the breeding. Kanduke had also impregnated Katina while he was in Orlando.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Damn, dog.

ED LARSON

Now SeaWorld has now created a whole new killer whale. Because remember Katina, a resident fish eater, and Kanduke, a transient mammal eater, gave birth to Katerina.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa, that should be like the super whale.

ED LARSON

So it's a new super whale.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa, that's cute.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Either that or its entire brain is completely fucked up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa! We'll see.

ED LARSON

Well SeaWorld is very creative with the whale breeding but not so much in the naming department.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, there's a lot of same names.

MARCUS PARKS

Like K-K-K.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Can there be a Steve?

ED LARSON

Yeah, I don't know. There are no Steves.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is the fucking whale called the Reaper!

ED LARSON

Yeah, this is Sean. Well Katerina was shipped off to Ohio because the baby Shamu business was going well. And then they sent her to San Antonio when she was four years old and then she died from a bacterial pneumonia at the age of 10. Bacterial pneumonia seems to be the trend on how these whales die in captivity. Female orcas in the wild lived to a maximum lifespan of 90 years old. She was 10.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jesus.

ED LARSON

There were three other SeaWorld owned whales in the mix here. Kenau, a female who gave birth to two baby Shamus in captivity.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa.

ED LARSON

The first died at 11 days old and the other was Kayla. Kenau was sent to Orlando and Kayla was sent to Ohio. Kenau only lasted seven months in Orlando and died at the age of 17, also from bacterial pneumonia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jesus Christ.

ED LARSON

Meanwhile in Florida, the mammal-eating Kanduke continued to impregnate other fish-eating Icelandic killer whales.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is what I do, friend. Okay? I kill. I fuck. Kanduke can do.

ED LARSON

Gudrun, a female, was captured from the same time as Kenau off the coast of Iceland.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh I know a Gudrun.

ED LARSON

You do?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You do?

MARCUS PARKS

It's an Icelandic name.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow!

ED LARSON

But first she was shipped to perform in the Netherlands before being purchased by SeaWorld Orlando. Gudrun gave birth to Taima and Nyar a couple of years apart. Gudrun was a better mother to the first.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a judgment call.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I think that you're a bastard for doing that because I think all mothers are blessed.

ED LARSON

Well by the mid 90s, SeaWorld was having a hard time keeping up with the demand for their shows. It was harder to capture killer whales in the wild, Canada, Iceland, and Washington state outlawed the capturing of the whales, as we said. So they were forced to breed in captivity or just buy whales from other parks. There were not many options left. Kanduke dies-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Damn, not the cum supplier!

ED LARSON

Yeah. Kotar was in Texas. So SeaWorld Orlando needed to fix this problem. Where were they going to hunt for a new stud? They only had two options. Keiko, owned by Mexico City Amusement Park-

MARCUS PARKS

Keiko.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And his fucking dick was fucking... He's ready to fuck whenever, dude. He's hanging there, he's camera ready, man. He's ready to fuck now, man! I'm ready to fuck!

ED LARSON

Actually Keiko was very depressed and he had a bent dorsal fin and he was covered in lesions.

MARCUS PARKS

Ugh.

ED LARSON

Unhealthy at best.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I feel like it's, yeah, I mean honestly especially these days the bar is so low for men.

ED LARSON

Keiko though went on to be the most famous orca in history, better known as Willy from Free Willy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No shit!

MARCUS PARKS

It's incredible.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's why I got yelled at down the street whenever I made anything above a slow walk where people would go like 'hey, Free Willy!' everywhere I went?

ED LARSON

Yeah, that was a couple of years that we all dealt with that if you were fat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I remember that. I remember that.

ED LARSON

Well I'm gonna sidetrack us for two seconds here just to talk about Keiko because this story is insane as well. Free Willy, if you remember, was a huge hit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

People loved Free Willy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

$153 million off a $20 million budget. It was about a boy who falls in love with an orca named Willy and is determined to free him. It's a nice movie, Michael Madsen's in it and he's even nice.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's nice in that movie.

ED LARSON

He's very nice in that movie.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's his only movie where he plays like a nice person.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He has to be nice.

ED LARSON

Yes, yeah. He's a single father, I believe. Spoiler alert, they free Willy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No!

ED LARSON

Yeah. Well the fucking poster is the spoiler to the end of the movie so I don't feel that bad. Anyway, right before the credits roll in Free Willy, it says 'you can help save whales of the world by calling 1-800-4-WHALES'.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then you call it and you're like hey, are you single? Are you a transient whale looking for a warm porthole?

ED LARSON

Well I called it earlier today and it was just a message of a nice old man telling you to go to the website keiko.com and leave a message if you feel like it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's an old way of using the internet. But yes.

ED LARSON

Everyone of course after they saw the movie and that was like hey, that's a great idea. How about we free Keiko? He's the star of the goddamn movie.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, dude. So you mean to tell me he gets to just be the guy inside, he gets to act like a free whale and he's definitely not a free whale because he's on camera doing cues?

ED LARSON

Yeah. So they're like let's free his fucking ass. So 1-800-4-WHALES got 300,000 calls to free Keiko. And then that was easier said than done. Remember Keiko is super sick. He's in this crappy Mexico City aquarium. It just was. His tank wasn't even filled with salt water, it was filled with fresh water and chlorine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jesus Christ.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh god.

ED LARSON

So they couldn't even grab... It's not like you can just grab them and ship them back to Iceland and expect everything to be fine and dandy

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, he'd get torn apart by the other whales or just die immediately just from the environment.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And he also has no idea how to be an orca. He needs to learn how to do whale shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Like talk and eat. Right now he's eating dead fish out of people's hands. He doesn't know how to hunt.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I mean that's also the reason why they changed the way they do that. Now we know that they try to feed it in a way that kind of stimulates their brains or whatever.

ED LARSON

Right now I mean still they're just giving them dead frozen fish.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But like we saw that one when we went to Seatime in in Australia, in Sydney where they have the dugong and they give it like its special leaves inside of the park.

ED LARSON

Well that was a nice aquarium.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. We're talking SeaWorld.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And dugong, he was one of the three dugongs in captivity.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He couldn't do back.

ED LARSON

Because he can't go back. Much like Keiko. He's out there, they built him this new gorgeous facility.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So they moved him out, they didn't take him out, right?

ED LARSON

Well before they moved him out, they had to build him a new facility in Oregon and that took a year and a lot of money and they were trying to raise money. So Warner Brothers chipped in, thank god, because they made so much money off of the fucking movie and then made three other movies. And another eccentric millionaire, Craig McCaw, helped cover the rest of the cost.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

As long as there can be a little hole I could stick my dick in.

ED LARSON

Dude, this guy, he had cellphone money and he was just giving $300,000 a month to Keiko.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dude, that's the type of insanity these people need. These whales need somebody who's just gonna give them money.

ED LARSON

Yeah. So the facility is still there, it's gorgeous and it simulated the ocean and they began to release fish in there to teach him how to hunt. When they thought he was ready, they shipped them back to Iceland on a C-17, the army fucking covered it.

MARCUS PARKS

What did they do? Just fucking throw buckets of water throughout or what?

ED LARSON

He's in a giant concrete like-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like a tube.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, tube. Yeah, tube. Sedated, I'd imagine.

ED LARSON

Yeah, I imagine. And when they shipped him back to Iceland-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Should have used the indica.

ED LARSON

They still couldn't get him free just yet because they didn't know what would happen. So they put him in this bay and they had a giant netted area that was like a couple of acres wide. And then he kind of hung out in there and he caught some fish and he started to talk to some other orcas. And eventually they let him go and see how it do. He couldn't socialize with the other orcas that well but he was very interested in them. So he followed a pod of orcas all the way from Iceland to Norway. Once he got there, the other orcas were like you're weird.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're fucked up.

ED LARSON

Like why do you like these humans so much? Because the humans are like watching this all go down.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, they're like huh?

ED LARSON

Make sure that their millions of dollars are like going towards something positive here.

MARCUS PARKS

And he keeps going back to them because that's where fish come from.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Of course!

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And he likes them.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Those are my buddies, yeah.

ED LARSON

And the other orcas are like what the fuck are you doing? Are you a spy?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah. Seriously, are you Melania?

ED LARSON

And so eventually he doesn't make any friends and he he lives a very lonely existence for a couple of years and dies of bacterial pneumonia.

MARCUS PARKS

My god.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jesus Christ.

ED LARSON

So but he technically was released into the wild and did live for a certain amount of time free. He had no friends but he did get to live free again.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that's the ultimate freedom.

MARCUS PARKS

No friends.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No friends. No nothing.

MARCUS PARKS

No friends, no attachments.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Absolutely nothing.

MARCUS PARKS

Vagrancy, my friend.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, full total floating.

ED LARSON

So there's only one other option to stud for Orlando now. It was an 11 year old male from a place named Sealand of the Pacific. His name was Tilikum and he just got done killing his first victim, Keltie Lee Byrne. And that's where we'll pick up next week-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah!

ED LARSON

In the Horrors of SeaWorld part two.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jesus Christ, that is very funny. You just did it like literally Tilikum is a serial killer. He is the meanest of the whales.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's the longest body count of any purposeful animal besides elephants. Elephants kill the most trainers in captivity.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But not one elephant has killed the most.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what I mean? But it's kind of interesting.

ED LARSON

Yeah. So Tilikum has killed two other people.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he set the context like it was a serial killer.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And that's where we'll pick back up!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like he did all, he did his background.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He did a psychological makeup. It is a true crime episode.

MARCUS PARKS

It is. But with a whale. With a dolphin!

ED LARSON

That's the thing!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Good work.

MARCUS PARKS

Way to go, buddy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Really good work. Tricked them. Tricked the audience.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And if you want to see Eddie's wonderful killer whale sweater-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh you didn't even mention the fact that he's sweating balls in here for no fucking reason.

MARCUS PARKS

No reason.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But if you wanna go see it, it's on the Patreon.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Patreon.com/lastpodcastontheleft is where you can go to watch video episodes. You can follow us at TikTok and Instagram @LPontheleft. You can also check out our streams at twitch. tv/LPNTV and catch all those streams later on after the fact on YouTube. You can come see us on tour. We got shows coming up in Boston, in London, in Reykjavik, in Los Angeles and New York City. And Chicago, we got Side Stories tickets for sale.

ED LARSON

Next week!

MARCUS PARKS

Next week.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Next week.

MARCUS PARKS

So come on out for that.

ED LARSON

The Park West Theater. I can't wait. That place is fucking beautiful.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I can't wait to be there. I can't wait to do it.

ED LARSON

I can't wait to get sick on food afterwards with you too, buddy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're gonna get really gross. Yeah, yeah. I wanna get some Italian beef.

ED LARSON

I wanna get some backstage.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And then after the show I wanna go out and get sick again.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I wanna get real sick.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Just remember we got the show the next night.

ED LARSON

Yeah, I'll shit it out. I have the opposite problem, too much dookie.l

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh no, it's always there, friend.

MARCUS PARKS

I got a real shy rectum.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a shy rectum.

ED LARSON

Mine loves friends!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not like Tilikum.

ED LARSON

No, no.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. So hail Satan, everyone.

MARCUS PARKS

Hail Gein.

ED LARSON

Hail Kalina.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, poor Kalina.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure. Poor Kalina.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

She never stood a chance. She was in that video with James Dean.