Episode 577 - Armin Meiwes II

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Man, nothing has to be as disappointing as finding out that you don't even have enough dick for lunch.

ED LARSON

I know I don't.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know I don't.

MARCUS PARKS

No, nobody does.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Well for me you can have one ball for one lunch and another for dinner.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's different.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

But that's only if you want to eat the same thing twice.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Absolutely. And that's the type of German eggs that I don't want. I don't want your German eggs. It's just weird the idea of-

ED LARSON

(German accent) What about for Easter?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Oh! Hippity hop, hippity hop. Big bouncy eggs for me and my pop! I love Germany. What a great day today is gonna be.

MARCUS PARKS

Welcome to the Last Podcast on the Left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks, I'm here with Henry Zebrowski.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hungry, hungry, Henry Zebrowski. Oh man. I honestly did eat lunch.

ED LARSON

What did you have?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I had my 'gurt, I had berries and 'gurt.

ED LARSON

I had that for breakfast.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. That was my lunch.

ED LARSON

And I had a green smoothie for lunch today knowing that we were gonna have this episode.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I'm excited about today because today.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because today it's time for dude to be on the menu! Yay, we did it! We made it!

MARCUS PARKS

We made it. And of course making it with us is Ed Larson.

ED LARSON

For years I worked at a cheesesteak restaurant. Years. 99 Miles to Philly.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you think one of the saddest things-

ED LARSON

This is 99 Miles to Frankfurt.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you have to shave the meat? Like when you do-

ED LARSON

It comes pre-shaven but we kind of half cook it and then put it with some juice on the side and then freeze it and then unfreeze it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But does it come in a big frozen block that you shave sections off?

ED LARSON

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because I wonder how he'd make cheese dick.

ED LARSON

Cheesesteak?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like how would he make human cheesesteak?

ED LARSON

I would imagine he'd probably use the back and shave it. Yeah. But we never went through, it was a storefront.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

We're not shaving legs of cow and shit like that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. No, no.

ED LARSON

They're giving us the meat and it's got a little deli paper in between it, we're flapping it on the grill.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It's a tiny little place in the East Village and man, I miss that place.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I miss that place.

ED LARSON

RIP.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But guys, today it's getting romantic. But just remember, tone's gonna shift because last week you remember it gets very romantic but it gets a little intense. That's why we're going from old school (polka music plays) hey! Ho! Ho-ho-ho-ho-ho!

ED LARSON

It's a good bouncing up and down song.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're going from that to (record scratch) (Rammstein plays) yeah! Fuck yeah, dude! Yeah! Fuck yeah! Woo!

ED LARSON

Man.

MARCUS PARKS

And of course that is Rammstein.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Rammstein.

MARCUS PARKS

Rammstein with their song about... Well actually it's not necessarily about Armin Meiwes, it's from the perspective of the man Armin Meiwes ate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The man who came to dinner and was dinner!

ED LARSON

Yeah, appropriately names Bernd.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah! Hey, it was medium rare.

ED LARSON

Well not the penis. We'll get into it. You know what's interesting about Rammstein? I didn't realize they're named after the town. Because I went to Ramstein Air Force Base. I don't know if it's 'stine' or 'steen'.

MARCUS PARKS

Shtine'.

ED LARSON

It's 'shtine'. I went to Ramstein Air Force Base when I did USO.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow!

ED LARSON

So they're like Germany's Chicago.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow. That's amazing!

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's Chicago? Is that their version of Saturday in the Park?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I love that song.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Love that song.

MARCUS PARKS

So when we last left Armin Meiwes, his fantasies of killing and eating another man were about to come true.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Lucky boy!

MARCUS PARKS

After spending months on various cannibal forums searching for a potential willing victim and coming up empty, Armin had finally found a man who was pathologically obsessed with being annihilated by another human being, culinarily speaking.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

As is called epicurean cannibalism. Did you know that there's a whole world of cannibalism that's called epicurean cannibalism which means to eat for the taste?

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah. It's not for survival. I guess you should distinct the two.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well we do. We covered it when we covered the Alive!

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

When we talked about the rugby team. That's technically anthropophagy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Which is eating for survival. It's called survival cannibalism. But yeah, he just liked it.

ED LARSON

I wonder if they think he's like a poser or the best.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He actually did become a minor folk hero in his little community.

ED LARSON

Oh interesting.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the man who was annihilated was named Bernd Brandes and his desire... Because it's more, it's Bernd instead of 'burnt'.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, Bernd.

MARCUS PARKS

It's Bernd. And his desire to be consumed and Armin's desire to feast upon flesh matched about as perfectly as one could hope in situations such as this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man. It's just kind of incredible.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You never know when you're gonna meet your soulmate. You never know where you're gonna be.

MARCUS PARKS

It wasn't a perfect match. We're gonna get into it. It wasn't a perfect match.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, what's perfect? Are marriages perfect? No. Are they great? Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So they found it. They found themselves. Just like Jack and Rose.

ED LARSON

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of blood.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Fuck yeah! (metal guitar riff)

MARCUS PARKS

So after a period of back and forth on email, Bernd arrived at Armin's local train station with an aggressive attitude towards being killed and eaten as soon as possible but not necessarily in that order.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What if Bernd did show up with just two hamburger buns? Just like what does this look like? Is it my new hat?

MARCUS PARKS

Now as far as how a specimen such as Bernd Brandes came to be, he was born in Berlin in 1958 as the perfectly normal middle class son of two doctors.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now those doctors, did they spend a lot of time massaging his body with nice, delicious herbs and like a sake in order to sort of like marble him through?

MARCUS PARKS

We're gonna do this the whole time?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm just saying. This is how you make the perfect-

MARCUS PARKS

So you're starting at the very beginning, you're starting with his birth.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're just saying that it was-

ED LARSON

Well when he was first marinated.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Exactly. That's where they start these Kobe beefs. That's where they serve them, straight out the pussy.

MARCUS PARKS

But when Bernd was five years old, his mother accidentally killed a patient during a procedure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dropped an anvil on him.

ED LARSON

That anvil therapy is so dangerous.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's so dangerous. It's only in Europe.

MARCUS PARKS

Well soon after while on vacation, his mother crashed her car into a tree which killed her instantly. While it was ruled an accident, Bernd's father always believed it to be a suicide because she couldn't live with the guilt of a patient's death. But the stress of Bernd's mother's death at such a young age and the subsequent transference of his mother's guilt, this became a pathology in which Bernd believed that he had to atone for his mother's failings and her death through his own annihilation and suffering. Or at least that's what's speculated.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There really seems to be, I don't know, but a pretty big connection to mommy issues and cannibalism.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I mean-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ed Kemper. He also did weird cannibalistic acts. He had problems with mommy, right.

MARCUS PARKS

I would say that most, what do you call them? Not fetishes. A lot of them are associated with mommy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They come from mommy.

MARCUS PARKS

It's not just cannibalism.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because mommy's got the tits. But sometimes daddy's got the dicks and if you like the dicks then daddy might give you the fetishes.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But remember Daddy wasn't around.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It didn't help him. But yeah, a lot mommies around are really not doing their best.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Especially if you're like, yeah, like Jeffrey Dahmer, he had issues.

ED LARSON

He had a bad mommy?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he had a bad mommy. Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well yeah. But a distant mommy.

MARCUS PARKS

Well he had a mommy that was incredibly depressive.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And that affected him in many ways.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And his parents had a horrible relationship. And then they just abandoned him when he was about 16 and that's when he started killing men.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But that's because he sucked.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You see and that's the thing is that the kid sucked. So yeah, they were right.

ED LARSON

Yeah. My parents pretty much abandoned me at 17. I didn't kill anybody.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No!

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. Same here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Except for audiences around this country. Go to eddietunes.com and go and have him come to your local church, your local funeral home.

ED LARSON

I'll play anywhere.

MARCUS PARKS

But what's most interesting about this is that both Bernd and Armin develop their fantasies at around the same age, although Armin seemed to have been born with it while Bernd's was created by outside forces. But we got a really interesting email at Side Stories this week from a person who actually does have this like cannibalism fetish.

ED LARSON

Oh.

MARCUS PARKS

And they said that through speaking with other people who have the same fetish, they're like you're kind of just born with it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it does seem-

MARCUS PARKS

They just all say like... And they said a lot of people get it though, like when it does get kind of baked in later on, a lot of people get it from Pinocchio.

ED LARSON

Really?

MARCUS PARKS

Like when Pinocchio gets swallowed by the whale.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What?

MARCUS PARKS

Some of them say like yeah, when I watched that when I was a kid, it made me really horny.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Getting swallowed by the whale?!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah but that's vore. Then we're in the world of vore too. Because vore is something else entirely. Vore is the idea that you are sexually attracted to the idea of being entirely consumed, that's Bernd kinda.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

In his own way. He does like that kind of... Because his is the opposite swing, right, where Armin is all about the kind about looking at people as food but Bernd looked in the mirror and sees pizza.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like he literally is like I'm so hot, I shouldn't exist.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And he had no strings to hold him down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Eddietunes.com.

MARCUS PARKS

Great Pinocchio joke. Fantastic.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is funny.

ED LARSON

Do you know he only lies once in the whole fucking movie?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know, yes. It's because he's inherently on his, Pinocchio, he learns the lesson early, he's a pure spirit.

MARCUS PARKS

Nevertheless, while Armin was obsessed with consuming his entire life, Bernd had a lifelong obsession with being consumed. And it wasn't just like, we'll get into it later, it wasn't just that it made him horny.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was everything.

MARCUS PARKS

There was a lot of shit going on with Bernd-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Including like not being okay with being gay, like having a lot of issues with being gay-

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Having issues with like self love and self hatred and all that. Like Bernd, he's a fascinating individual but he's got some problems.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's got problems.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He seems oddly self aware.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He is.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah, he's I think one of the most incredibly self aware people that I've ever read about.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Very in touch with himself. But just like Armin, Bernd was an average human being to most outside observers. He was the head of his department at Germany's largest engineering firm and he had a string of unsuccessful relationships with women. Finally though at the age of 40, he accepted that he was gay. By the end of 1999, two years before his fateful meeting with Armin, Bernd was even in a healthy relationship with a man named Rene, and together they built a happy life in Berlin, even though Bernd chose to keep his sexuality a secret from his coworkers. But what's fascinating about Bernd, and I do find Bernd an absolutely fascinating individual.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, we are very sickenedly curious about Bernd.

MARCUS PARKS

Is that while many people with a pathological need for self destruction sometimes channel that into addiction or risky behavior, Bernd channeled his need completely into sexual fetishes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was all day and I get it.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm horny too, I'm horny as a damn jackrabbit. And I'm not this horny.

ED LARSON

So him and Rene were just banging and banging and banging and banging and banging?

MARCUS PARKS

Well I mean he engaged in the services of various sex workers.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

He would go up to three times a day.

ED LARSON

Whoa!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Three times a day.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

That's expensive.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean he was the head of his fucking team.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, dude.

ED LARSON

You never know. You never know who's doing what.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, do you think he had to have one of those mouse twitchers to let them know that he was at work while he was like going and getting sounded and getting his butthole destroyed?

MARCUS PARKS

Well he would go to play out his extreme BDSM urges in which he would be whipped and his fantasies could be taken to their limits. Eventually though the play acting wasn't enough. His biggest fantasy, the one that came ahead of total annihilation was castration.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But not the old school castration.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not like the balls.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean it's the full magilla.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It's if guillotine was a mouth.

MARCUS PARKS

And it was his hope that one day he would watch himself be castrated by another man before that man consumed him completely. Now at first Bernd tried paying sex workers to bite off his penis, once even going so far as to offer a man named Victor 10,000 marks to do so. Victor of course declined.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So Bernd turned to the internet in the hopes that he could find someone willing to go all the way.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let's say you're in that scenario, right. At this point, you're spanking this guy, what else are we doing to this guy, right? We're doing a bunch of weird shit, beating the shit out of him.

MARCUS PARKS

Not weird. BDSM, totally normal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, that's right. But I mean like at this point you're victor.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're tired. He's hard. Now until this is bite on your penis... Because like bite on it, bite on it.

MARCUS PARKS

Bite on it and bite it I think are two different things.

ED LARSON

Bite through it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But there's no way-

MARCUS PARKS

That preposition is really important.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It does not start with bite my dick off. You know it starts with-

ED LARSON

Kissing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) You ever see corn on the cob? You ever see American film? Corn on the cob American film, American blue jean? Right? And then he goes like (German accent) ja, ja, me know. I know. Me know.

ED LARSON

Matrix, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Matrix, ja, ja. Matrix. Nibble on the outside. Nibble on the outside. And so it starts with like, like this? He's like oh yeah. Little bit more. Now you know American big man, big man, big gun, big buckle. I'm going home to to Texas, big hand. Right? Bite into it now, like a hot dog. Like a frankfurter, like they do! And then the guy has to go like what? Nah, nah, dude. I'll suck the hell out of this.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like I will suck this dick.

MARCUS PARKS

That's what I'm here for, bro.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dude, I'm here, man. I've been probably sucking.

ED LARSON

(German accent) Yes but how many licks does it take to get to the center?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Center of a what? Center of a huh?

ED LARSON

(growling)

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But yeah, it's gotta be really tough then because the guy... Like 10,000 Deutschmarks is a lot.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, I mean I would imagine it was a negotiation. (German accent) 2000, 4000, 7000, 10,000!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

10,000, bite it off!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I'd probably have said yes at first and then you know...

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then you realize it's not just saying it.

MARCUS PARKS

Well that's the thing. Is it a cop?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. Oh god, the cop's gonna go in there. How fucking sick?

ED LARSON

You know you have to tell me if you're undercover.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, the guy's already gotten full BDSM for hours and then he says bite your dick off and he's like this is the police, I'm gonna arrest you. Jesus Christ.

ED LARSON

What investigative reporter found Victor?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Victor declined. So Bernd turned to the internet in the hopes that he could find someone willing to go all the way. This pathological need was so strong that Bernd was actually the one who contacted Armin Meiwes. After seeing Armin's Post looking for a young well built man who wanted to be eaten, Bernd replied to see if Armin was truly serious about the offer. The only thing Bernd fibbed about was that he told Armin he was 36 when he was actually 43.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And we do have a little snippet of their conversation.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah because it was actually released in Harper's which is fucked. Where he they do a lot of play. And the first it talks about... Because he's going as Antrophagus and Bernd is going as Cator99. Now we know that Antropagus-

MARCUS PARKS

Phagus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Antrophagus, he would like taste his own blood, he would poke himself with a needle and taste his own blood and he said it was delicious. But then it did get more advanced.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) "Cator99: Then I hope you won't wilt, that you can really see it through without a problem."

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "Antrophagus: To bite into your penis will certainly not be easy. Living flesh is somewhat more resistant than fried. But one thing is certain: our dream will be fulfilled.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) "But there’s not so much in it as there is in muscle.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "Antrophagus: Yeah, but the penis is principally a spongy material filled with blood."

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) "Cator99: For both our sakes, I hope that’s true.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German giggling) Hit it, Rob! (Rammstein plays)

MARCUS PARKS

And so after he and Armin agreed that Friday, March 9th, 2001 would be the day, Bernd spent the preceding weeks wiping his hard drives of anything that might lead police or his boyfriend Rene to Armin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because a part of their conversations were obviously Armin being like what his real issues were, which is I don't wanna kill somebody against their will.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And Bernd is like great, love that, with you. And then he's like my main issue truly is that like how do I do this without getting in trouble? I'm definitely gonna get in trouble. It's why I didn't want to do this in the first place and essentially Bernd is like that's why we gotta make sure that there ain't nothing left of me, baby.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because he wanted to go bones and all, much like the Timothee Chalamet Dingdong movie. Which is actually pretty good.

ED LARSON

It was fine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I liked it.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Bernd then wrote a will leaving everything to Rene as his only clue that he was probably dead and not just missing after he left home on March 9th, knowing full well that if all went according to plan, if Armin were to truly wipe every vestige of Ben's physical presence off this earth, Rene would never have any idea what really happened. And it wasn't just like covering Armin's ass, it was also a part of Bernd's wishes-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Fantasy.

MARCUS PARKS

His fantasy that he'd be completely erased from earth.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. He wanted to disappear.

ED LARSON

Marcus, how would you get rid of the bones?

MARCUS PARKS

How would I get rid of the bones? You know what I was actually thinking about this and he talked a little bit about like grinding the bones down. And one thing that I've never figured out why no one has ever really done this, you know a dremel?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Like why don't you just get a dremel and just little by little, just (buzzing) shave all the bones down?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a lot of time.

MARCUS PARKS

It is a lot of time.

ED LARSON

You gotta wear an N95 for that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, absolutely.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a lot of fucking noise.

MARCUS PARKS

It's a fair amount of noise but it's not as much time as you think. Remember I used to work with bones all the time.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

I used to shave them up for the Patreon. Not as much time as you'd think.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I would do, honestly what I would do is if I'm already cooking them, I'd boil up as many bones as I could in big batches, I'd boil them up into kind of honestly sort of a broth to soften them up as much as I possibly could. And then yeah, I would probably break them into little sections and then slowly but surely grind them up into dust and then you kind of litter them out into the forest.

ED LARSON

Well you gotta be careful when you're littering it, you don't want a situation... Who was the guy in Indiana again?

MARCUS PARKS

Herb Baumeister.

ED LARSON

Herb Baumeister. He broke them up pretty good but he still got caught.

MARCUS PARKS

Honestly it's probably best to put them out in the city then.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You take it to Berlin, man. You take it to the local club in Berlin. Those people don't know what they take. These guys fucking, they don't know what they're snorting. Yeah, you just fucking start selling that shit as fucking yayo. And they're asking you like oh what kind of cocaine is this? And you can be like (German accent) oh, it's my brand new, it's called Jurgen. Like it's amazing.

ED LARSON

Yeah, sell it at the vampire club in Berlin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. That's huge!

ED LARSON

Go on a Rhine River cruise and start dumping them.

MARCUS PARKS

Now after Bernd and Armin met at the train station and had their immediate moment of connection-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Kiss me beneath the milky twilight, lead me... Just seeing each other that first time, that must have been so romantic.

MARCUS PARKS

They fell into planning how Bernd's slaughter was gonna go, step by step, almost from the minute they got into Armin's car. But while Armin was understandably focused on getting to the cannibalism as soon as possible, Bernd was more interested in the castration aspect and the following action of not only having his penis eaten but for him to also eat his own penis.

ED LARSON

All right. It's in the contract.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what he wants. It's the job.

ED LARSON

It's the rider. Yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yup. We know. This is the negotiation. The negotiation begins now.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah because just like Armin needed the person he ate to consent to the act fully, Bernd needed someone else to castrate and destroy him to fulfill his fantasy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He must have read 'The Art of Negotiation'.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Doing it himself, it seemed, would be no better than masturbation. It's like how you can't give yourself a massage.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. Absolutely not.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It's so aggravating because I've tried.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And it just doesn't work.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no.

MARCUS PARKS

Doesn't work at all.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it even works less with the cut off, disembodied hands of a dead woman.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like it's just not the same. I flop them and I slap them.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, doesn't work.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Nothing.

ED LARSON

Just put them on the ground, roll around a bunch, nothing works.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Nothing. It's not doing it.

MARCUS PARKS

Well furthermore, Bernd seemed to see this entire scenario as a sort of reverse domination which played with Armin's intense need to eat him. As we'll see, Bernd was in charge of every moment leading up to his eventual demise, even goading Armin along when Armin faltered. In fact Armin never wanted to participate in any sort of conscious castration or anything that felt as if he was hurting Bernd unnecessarily. After all, Armin wouldn't torture a pig before slaughtering it for meat and he saw that Bernd's death, in practice at least, was the same thing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I feel like we're at the DNC, like arguing about different forms of leftism. You know what I mean?

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is what it's like. It's about fighting on the inside. What does it mean? Who is the more pure cannibal?

ED LARSON

Listen, I'm a good guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't wanna do this, buddy. Because this is why this case has caught so much interest and why everybody is really... Honestly there's so many people interested in this because of this very, the center of their relationship is so interesting. They did sort of find the perfect quote unquote the "give and take".

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because really, like Armin did not want to hurt him. He was really anti the idea of... It's what his whole thing was before about how like I wish I could just get the meat, I just want the meat. And it's hard to just get the meat. It's actually-

ED LARSON

It's impossible.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's impossible. It's very, very difficult to get.

ED LARSON

Yeah. For such a black and white issue, it's incredibly murky.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. No, this story is incredibly murky.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And even like it goes into issues of consent and like-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Euthanasia.

MARCUS PARKS

An euthanasia. Like who can do that? It's very, very, very fascinating. And how their fantasies match up kinda but not really. Because since Bernd was in charge of everything from beginning to end, he made a stipulation before they even met that none of this could happen unless Armin agreed to castrate him first before killing him. And Armin, still used to taking orders just like from his mother, he agreed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It also was his sexual... That was a part of the game, the negotiation and all of the allowances are part of the game. Armin was obsessed with... Remember what we talked about last episode? The idea that he wants to be chosen, he wants to be needed.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He wants someone to need and want him to do a thing for him. He wants the meat to say 'eat me' and they only do it in the Arby's commercials. It doesn't really work like that.

MARCUS PARKS

Eat me!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Eat me! He's desperate for the thing to go 'eat me' and the thing is going 'eat me' but now Bernd is saying eat me (German accent) but first thing's first, the dick, it must go! You know what I mean? So he has to do it. He's like all right.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Because it's a different sort of fetish because Armin wants to see another man as livestock, he wants to see him as a pig.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But also in love with him.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wanting it. He wants to want, the pig has to want to die.

MARCUS PARKS

Now that's not to say that Bernd was a selfish lover. He had fully complied with Armin's request to fast for the two days prior to their meeting. Because as Bernd put it, he wanted to be the best meal Armin ever had. Now on the way home from the train station, Armin and Bernd picked up painkillers and a bottle of schnapps as a part of their plan. After the castration, Bernd would take a cocktail of sleeping pills, cough medicine, and schnapps. Then Armin would stab Bernd's throat to bleed him out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Awesome.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Fucking thumbs up, bro!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Good plan.

MARCUS PARKS

After Bernd's body was drained, Armin would butcher the body in such a way where the maximum amount of Bernd's body could be consumed while the inedible parts like the skin, bones, and innards would be destroyed completely.

ED LARSON

You don't think you'd eat the skin?

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

No, absolutely-

ED LARSON

Char it up. I've eaten some pork skin. Chicharrón!

MARCUS PARKS

We've all eaten pork rinds. I mean they're fantastic.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I don't think pork rinds, like that's a very Southern thing. I don't think that made it over to Germany.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sidestorieslpotl@gmail.com. Do we believe that human skin is something that can chicharrón?

ED LARSON

I think so.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And as we know, the whole thing would be filmed on videotape from beginning to end so Armin could relive the experience whenever he wanted.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And if you're feeling especially wild and wooly today, a couple of extraordinarily graphic stills that are said to be from the video can be found from a quick Google search. Although I can neither confirm nor deny their authenticity. All I know is that I couldn't find an alternative explanation as to where these stills are from if they're not from Armin's video. Nobody's out saying like oh that's from this movie-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Or it's just a drawing or whatever. They look very, very real.

ED LARSON

Do we have them? Can I see them?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The pictures are in the book. These are all in the book too.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I was reading a book on it.

ED LARSON

He's wearing a chef's hat, that's cute.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's one, yeah. That's more of a funny kind of a character thing there. But the meat laying on its side there and the dude slit in a half. Yeah, that's-

ED LARSON

Oh that's a dude slit in half!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a dude split in half. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh my god!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See humans are just meat. That's kind of the worst part about this story.

ED LARSON

And the head is gone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because the head is actually in the corner watching him. We'll get there.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And then what's that there on the bottom? It's that a leg?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's an arm and a chest.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, that's an arm, you can see his nipple there.

ED LARSON

Oh. Yeah. Wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I mean honestly-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But you still have no problems with this but you almost threw up from the chorizo video.

ED LARSON

The chorizo video is fucking disgusting.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I can't believe that you are looking at an actual human corpse.

ED LARSON

If he was eating it and throwing it up, I would have a problem with that.

MARCUS PARKS

To know what we're talking about, please go see the latest Marcus Mandate on the latest episode of Last Stream on the Left which I think is now posted to our YouTube channel.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now it seems like Bernd's desires came not only from a sexual urge but also from a deep well of self hatred. It's as if-

ED LARSON

All right, you can take them down, Rob.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Take down the pictures. Please, take them down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I made them my desktop. I love it. Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Like I said, his desires also came from a deep well of self-hatred, as if the governor on his Freudian death drive had popped a gasket while also becoming fused with his sex drive.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a bad combo.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whatever it is, man.

MARCUS PARKS

For example, when Armin asked Bernd why he wanted to do this, I mean really why, Bernd said that it was because he hated himself, hated his sexuality, and hated his extremely high sex drive. He called himself a worthless piece of meat and bones, adding that he'd just had it. But even though his need to be consumed came from a very negative place, the hours Bernd and Armin shared before Bernd was killed sounds like the nervous beginnings of an intense relationship that has begun online then suddenly jumps to real life. It feels like an episode... Like have you ever seen Before the 90 Days, the 90 Day Fiance spin off?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

It's basically a show about online dating where people see like they how they start-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Meeting each other on the internet and then they meet for the first time. It feels a lot like that.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, if you ever had one of those things where you're calling, you've never met but you're calling each other like Pookie Butt or you're being really, really romantic on the internet.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Hello my love, yes, my love.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, my love. And then you meet in real life and then you gotta meet like Bernd's fucking coworkers. You know what I mean? And that's always like a problem and you gotta meet Armin's mom because Armin's mom doesn't like you.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Armin's mom lives in the closet.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You got too many guinea pigs in the house.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah. Dumb shit. Because I guess also when Bernd came in the room, one of the first things he did is that he took off all of his clothes and he says (German accent) because I want you to admire your dinner. Which is again, it's very in a very bad way.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It's bad but he seemed like he was having a great time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a date. Yeah, it's romantic. Yeah. And then he's just sitting there just so excited.

MARCUS PARKS

And that's really kind of the crux of it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Is that the entire time, this all happens over the course of it seems about 14 hours.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is 'The Notebook'.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It really does seem like Bernd the entire time is loving it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's in love.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He is absolutely loving... Like this is what he's always wanted.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Kiss me.

MARCUS PARKS

But on the other hand-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Under the milky twilight.

MARCUS PARKS

But you also sometimes get that with people who just finally decide-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

To commit suicide.

MARCUS PARKS

That they're going to die by suicide. Oh he seemed to be fine. It's because he's finally made the decision.

ED LARSON

Man, just thinking about Rene. Like it's already bad enough when your significant other cheats on you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wanted to cum so bad he went and became somebody's dinner.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like that's worse than going like... Imagine if he had went straight. You know what I mean? That would almost be worse.

MARCUS PARKS

Well once they got back to the house, Armin gave Bernd a tour of the farmhouse and made him coffee using the fine china meant only for special occasions that had not been touched since Waltraud's death.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I must tell you something, Bernd. You will find this most exciting. I haven't used these plates since my blessed mother's funeral. Also if you're in his house, if you're in that Tudor house, nothing is not served on a dead mother's items.

MARCUS PARKS

Well after coffee they retired to the bedroom where they had sex and explored each other's bodies.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Lick lick. (giggles) This is salty, this is sweet. Down here, I kiss your feet.

ED LARSON

So they were being clean though the whole time and he wasn't allowed to eat anything. But then he gave him a bunch of coffee and that's just gonna make him fucking shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey buddy, he's gotta stay awake to get his dick cut off. It's a long, honestly it was a long train trip. And they're really very distracted so I imagine he's very tired.

MARCUS PARKS

This of course is when events left 90 Day Fiance territory and entered into something closer to a chapter from the book 'Apocalypse Culture'.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin began asking for reassurance again and again that Bernd wanted to be eaten.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) You can get out of it any time. If you want to go, you can. Here's the pot. Do you want it? Does it look delicious to you?

ED LARSON

Safe. Seems oddly responsible.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

He is very responsible with this from beginning to end. And Bernd of course told Armin that he not only wanted to be eaten, he needed to be eaten.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Look at these chicken legs! Look at these sausage arms!

MARCUS PARKS

They then fell into a conversation not unlike two men who share an off kilter hobby, bemoaning the fact that cannibalism was illegal while discussing their favorite cannibals. Bernd's favorite was Colorado's own Alfred Packer, who ate the remains of five compatriots after getting stranded in the San Juan mountains in the winter of 1874.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

American boy!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See, America is still inspiring people across the world.

ED LARSON

Yeah, even old school Americans.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. You remember Cannibal the Musical?

ED LARSON

Yeah. Oh that's what that is?

MARCUS PARKS

That's Alfred Packer, yeah.

ED LARSON

He might be my favorite.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. (singing) The sun is warm as a baked potato!

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) Baked potato! A horse is a horse, of course, of course.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) You know exactly what I mean.

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) When I say it's a shpadoinkle day!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And this is their biggest shpadoinkle day. This is Bernd's shpadoinkle day.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's so excited about today.

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) Ah let's build a snowman!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I love that song.

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) We can make him tall, we can make him not so tall! I love that fucking movie.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Love it.

MARCUS PARKS

Now the conversation about cannibalism turned romantic quickly. Armin remembered that he looked into Bernd's eyes and said, quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "I want to stab you to death, gut you and carve you up. Then I'll eat you."

MARCUS PARKS

And before long-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) From soup to poop. That is what I make you. Oh you started as a man but soon you be a little fart.

MARCUS PARKS

It definitely gives a new meaning to the phrase 'soup to nuts'.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, it does.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well before long they decided that it was time to get down to business.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

They made their way to the slaughter room.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah! It's time to get funky.

ED LARSON

You're so excited.

MARCUS PARKS

You're incredibly excited about this. You're convinced that this is like a romantic getaway instead of like-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is!

ED LARSON

It is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is!

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

A man is like committing suicide and you're like (singing) Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I wanna take ya-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) To Bermuda, Bahama-

MARCUS PARKS

This isn't a trip to the fucking Bahamas.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Don't you want to eat the man? Whoa, whoa. Sha-la-la-la-la don't be scared! I just see all of this, like all of the haunted or like the weird dumb shit in his mom's house all singing like anthropomorphized, like wigs.

MARCUS PARKS

Like Beauty and the Beast.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

You got a little teacup and everything.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're like (German accent) ooh he's finally found love. The rooms will be complete!

ED LARSON

(German accent) Once he eats every inch of him, I will not be a clock anymore.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. I can finally go back to being a full grown pedophile man. Yeah, I can go back to what I like to do which is ruining a lot of children instead of being this stupid clock.

ED LARSON

Some candlelight?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's my buddy, the candelabra, he also used to be a pedophile. Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well they made their way to the slaughter room where Armin turned on the video camera. That, by the way, is why we know so much about this story and what transpired between Armin and Bernd. Quite a bit of their interactions that day were taped. And not just the nasty parts. In the beginning, Armin and Bernd sat in the slaughter room and looked at the shadows the lighting in the room created on the walls. And like two kids staring at clouds, they called out what animals they saw in the forms created by the meat hooks and various other accoutrement that would soon be used to butcher Bernd.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Tell me, what does this remind you of, Bernd?

ED LARSON

(German accent) Is it a seahorse?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) No. Guess again.

ED LARSON

(German accent) Hook fish!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Yeah. You're funny. What does this look like, Bernd?

ED LARSON

(German accent) Ooh!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Ja, ja, ja.

ED LARSON

(German accent) It looks like your anus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Ja, it is.

MARCUS PARKS

And so after just a few hours of getting to know you time and sporadic sexual contact-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ping-ping! Ping-ping-ping-ping!

MARCUS PARKS

They decided that it was time to begin the event that both of them had wanted for almost their entire lives. Now naturally Bernd's castration fantasy had to come first. So he looked Armin in the eyes and told him that he wanted to give him an appetizer for the feast ahead. In other words, it was finally time for Armin to bite and chew Bernd's penis off his body until nothing remained, not even a stump.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And you know Armin was definitely nervous.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because he didn't want to fuck it up.

MARCUS PARKS

No. Well he didn't want to do it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, he had a hard time. I get it. It's hard to rip a penis off with your mouth.

MARCUS PARKS

And so Armin knelt before Bernd's extraordinarily erect penis and opened his mouth while Bernd shouted on camera, (German accent) "Bite into it! Please! Just bite it! Hard!" But when it came time-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh. Ugh.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. When it came time for Armin to do what Bernd asked of him, he found that he didn't have the stomach for it, so to speak.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) You were telling me about the corn nibble before.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Can I start with the little nibble?

ED LARSON

Yeah because he's more of a butcher.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He just wants the meat.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He just wants the meat. Hurting someone else is not in his pathology at all. And frustrated, Bernd continued to scream, saying, (German accent) "No! You have to do it! Damn it! You can't stop now! Bite it!"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I'm biting. I'm biting, Bernd. Is this our first fight? Are you yelling at me or are you yelling at the situation? You know what they say, couples need to not fight each other, fight the problem.

MARCUS PARKS

Well at that point Bernd got physically aggressive, grabbing Armin's hair so he could force Armin's head back towards his penis. Now Armin was able to give him a gentle bite. But even while Bernd urged him on, Armin could not bite hard enough to even draw blood. That's when Bernd fell into despair and decided this just isn't gonna happen. He's like Armin, you're too nice, you're too weak, I should have realized this earlier. I'm gonna go.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is like when you've been dating somebody for six or seven years-

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And you think they're like oh we're going in this big fancy vacation, he's gonna ask me to marry him. This whole time, he's gonna ask me to marry him. And then each time he like kneels over you think that's gonna be the moment. He doesn't do it.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then you're finally at the last dinner and he brings you a little box of jewelry and you open it up and it's a fucking necklace. That's the feeling.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's just the you're just never gonna commit. You're just never gonna be a real man.

ED LARSON

Oh while I'm down here I'll just wash your knees.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

My knees are clean!

MARCUS PARKS

While shame and disappointment filled both of them, Bernd weakly said he just wanted to feel his penis being mutilated, that was it. Is that really too much to ask?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, it's not.

ED LARSON

It's really not, dude.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, it's not. Your partner is like... I mean what you give is what you get back.

MARCUS PARKS

And for the first time these two men found that their fantasies were somewhat at odds and there seemed to be no way to solve it. Their fantasies were just different. I mean for Bernd it was all about being destroyed. He hated himself, he hated his sexuality. He wanted himself gone off the face of the earth. Eating was just like a part of it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

That was how he could see himself being completely and utterly destroyed. But for Armin, he wanted a pig.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. He wanted meat.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he wanted meat.

ED LARSON

I see Bernd as Willem Dafoe and Armin as Christoph Waltz.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep. Yep.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it tracks.

MARCUS PARKS

That's exactly it. That is exactly it. And so after Bernd decided that it just wasn't gonna work, he asked Armin to give him a ride to the train station so he could buy a ticket back to Berlin. Always the pleaser, Armin turned off the video recorder and drove Bernd to the train station in silence.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I know you were saying that you don't want to listen to anything but would you want to listen The Shins?

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) It's just a mood and it's the mood I'm in right now.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) That's the mood I'm in right now.

ED LARSON

I picture ta-ta-ta.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I love this song. I wish they would change our national anthem to this song.

MARCUS PARKS

They're driving in silence and all of a sudden on the radio is (singing) 99 luftballons. And they just start singing along together. But just after Bernd bought his ticket, Armin pled his case and convinced Bernd to give him another chance.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Take me in, baby.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Saying that he could absolutely castrate him and eat his penis while he was still conscious if only he'd let him prove it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) In your eyes, the light, the heat, your eyes! I feel complete.

MARCUS PARKS

And let him he did. The compromise they came to was that Bernd would take a ton of sleeping pills and cough syrup to make himself pass out. And while he was unconscious, Armin would be able to psych himself up so he could do what Bernd asked. And that would have to be good enough for Bernd.

ED LARSON

It'd probably be easier to bite off a flaccid penis than a hard one too.

MARCUS PARKS

Well it's no longer biting, it's cutting now.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the compromise.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But once they got back to the house at around 6 pm and be washed down 20 sleeping pills with a bottle of cough syrup and half a bottle of schnapps all on an empty stomach-

ED LARSON

He's lucky he lived!

MARCUS PARKS

He was still awake.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I think Bernd had a bit of a substance abuse problem.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Me thinks so as well.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because Bernd took all of this down and still got to almost totally enjoy getting his penis cut off. And that was not the game.

MARCUS PARKS

So Bernd ended up getting what he wanted. And he was led to the slaughter room and laid down on the bed as Armin prepared for the castration. Now Armin knew that he couldn't bring himself to chew the penis off but he figured he could probably cut it off with a knife.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So after grabbing a kitchen knife and a cutting board, Armin-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's good to make sure he protect the table.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

These are nice tables.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Everything's antiques.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin turned on the video camera as Bernd became erect with anticipation.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Something about like a guy tied to a chair...

MARCUS PARKS

He's not tied. He's just fucking-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's just sitting there just naked in a chair and then Armin comes out with the chef's hat on and he's got the kitchen knife. And just there's something about a guy smiling and just sitting in a chair like... I've never done that.

ED LARSON

As soon as the camera comes on, he's ready to perform.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I've never seen that. Yeah, he said I'm ready to fuck!

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm ready to fuck now!

MARCUS PARKS

But again, Armin was unable to sever it but not for lack of trying.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

God.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin swung his knife down to chop off Bernd's penis-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But it bounced off because the knife wasn't sharp enough.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh. (German accent) Your penis is so strong.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And as we know there's nothing more dangerous than a dull knife.

ED LARSON

Oh my god.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Once it gets in, you gotta pull it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

So after Bernd screamed at him to go get a sharper knife, Armin tried again.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, okay. This one will do, this will do it.

MARCUS PARKS

This time however Bernd got exactly what he wanted. As Armin swung the knife down successfully again and again on the tough penile tissue, Bernd wiggled, screamed, and literally squealed like a pig.

ED LARSON

So it's hard to cut a cock off.

MARCUS PARKS

It's not easy. No, it's tough tissue.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Is there cartilage in there?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I do honestly feel like it's a lot about will.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because Lorena Bobbitt did it with scissors. Scissors are actually much easier to do it.

ED LARSON

Garden shears, right?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm just gonna get into this really deeply.

ED LARSON

I mean that's what the show is.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I feel that.

MARCUS PARKS

It's what they're here for.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The key is that the way he was doing it, and I feel like this might not be an exaggeration, he kind of sort of did it when he covered his eyes and went like (German accent) ah, ohh, ah, ohh! He was just kind of chopping at the dick.

ED LARSON

Which is so much worse than fucking doing it right.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well I think you're supposed to honestly pull it taut then go at it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like you really need to pull it tight and then go at the very, very base.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but if it's really hard, just pulling it out is not gonna be good. What you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to get like two fingers and press it down on the cutting board. And then I would say a serrated knife is gonna be a lot better-

ED LARSON

Ugh!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep, yep.

MARCUS PARKS

Than just a regular kitchen knife.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It grips.

ED LARSON

Man, Armin-

MARCUS PARKS

Like a bread knife.

ED LARSON

He prepared so much.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

ED LARSON

But he didn't sharpen the knife? Like he did so much work, he put plastic down, he set up the videotape.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's called the gaps in the lead from fantasy to reality.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. That's true, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And what you're talking about is a thing that's going to come up later on because right now this is at the very, very peak of a very esoteric idea that they thought would never happen.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And so yes, up to at this point the sexual game has really just led up to... And in Armin's mind, yes he's been fantasizing about butchering a body but he's never really thought about the A-Z of how do I get to that point? And so now we're in it, we're in the reality of it. And it's like kind of what Ed Kemper talked about. Ed Kemper said that one of the things that first changed his mind about once he first killed somebody was that he thought that killing somebody was really easy. He thought that you'd stab somebody, they'd fall over, and they'd die.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

But humans are bags of liquid.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

So you stab somebody full a bunch of holes, it actually takes a really long time for you to die, like longer than you think. And it's more physically difficult than you think. And so that changed his mind. So now Armin's living it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And so what he gets to do from now on is tell everybody what he's learned along the way.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well finally Armin managed to sever Bernd's penis completely. And as blood gushed from the open wound, Bernd looked down in ecstasy, having finally realized his dream after all these years. So after Armin wrapped Bernd's lower body in bandages, they rushed downstairs together with Bernd's severed penis so they could engage in the second half of Bernd's ultimate fantasy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(giggling)

MARCUS PARKS

And yeah, I do actually imagine them both like giddy little boys that are kind of doing something in secret.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And Bernd's waddling along with his diaper of fucking bandages.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And they're just having a great time. It has the same feeling as a couple of boys like at a sleepover.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I feel like-

MARCUS PARKS

And mom and dad's gone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're about to eat too much Pizza Hut and drink too much soda.

ED LARSON

Oh yeah. We used to do the pass out game. I'm sure it's similar to that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is literally the pass out game.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Armin cut the penis tissue in half.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh did we never give any warnings about this episode or...?

MARCUS PARKS

I mean they knew what was coming.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I'm just saying.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whatever.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean it's the cannibal of Rotenburg. I don't know what... If you didn't expect it to be fucking nasty, I don't know what you're here for.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know.

ED LARSON

Yeah, you want to give a trigger warning?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, just so you know, we might have some alternative imagery in this series. That's the warning.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin cut the penis tissue in half and tossed it-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There might be something, there might be something in there.

ED LARSON

That was the last moment for a trigger warning.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The very last possible.

MARCUS PARKS

And he tossed each half on its own plate. And you know what I didn't realize and what I didn't really think about from here, do you think like one guy got the shaft and the other guy got the head or do you think he sliced it-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, hot dog.

ED LARSON

Sliced down the middle.

MARCUS PARKS

Hot dog. Sliced down the middle, okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. That's what I would do.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, that's what I would do too.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Is he a good cook, Armin?

MARCUS PARKS

Well I mean he knows how to follow a recipe.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah but he fucked up this dick.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I don't think anyone can really cook dick, that's the whole point.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually have seen cooked dick. That Japanese artist that cooked his own dick. He did it but there was enough of that dick to serve, which showed that he did it correctly. And I'm pretty certain he braised it which is a lot of times, honestly they talked about this, this is very similar to eating tripe. It has to be cooked in liquid.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it has to be cooked slowly and the cartilage needs to be broken down. If you're eating dick, it has to be in a ragù.

ED LARSON

Slow cooker.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, a ragù. Well Bernd was so excited that he tried gobbling it up raw. But both of them soon discovered that penises are not meant to be eaten, at least when they're prepared in this fashion.

ED LARSON

You know Armin felt vindicated. He's like see! It's hard to bite through it!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) You with your back penis driving.

ED LARSON

Calling me a pussy!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Oh telling me what I'm doing wrong or doing right. All right? Now you look at it. No, penises are not meant to be eaten, they're meant to be respected. All right? So you remember that.

ED LARSON

They were meant to be sucked and fucked.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Penises aren't meant to be eaten, they're meant to be Supreme Court judges.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah! Come on, guys.

ED LARSON

Yeah, I got a little Kavanagh myself.

MARCUS PARKS

And so Armin tossed it in a hot pan with some oil, garlic, and pepper to make it more palatable. But that's when he found the tissue wasn't meant to be pan fried.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

Because the penis half shriveled in the frying pan and turned black.

ED LARSON

Like a shrimp.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep. Both men tried chewing the charred remains of Bernd's penis but finally gave up and threw them away. And really your training as a chef here really is coming in handy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It really is.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But to be honest if I was them,I wouldn't be disappointed because at least you did, you got to chew on it. You did it. And I feel like more so like they have to understand that this really wasn't about eating the penis, this was about the night they got to spend together.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Also what did they think was gonna happen with a penis? It's not gonna stay hard.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's exactly what I'm saying. I think that there's a fantasy and now they're seeing what's really coming out of it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well I mean if you look at their conversations, they very much knew all the ins and outs of like what penis tissue was like.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But they still kind of thought in a way that he'd go like rawr!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he'd rip it off like a dog and it would blood spurt and it would come out really hard. I know again this is difficult. And that the penis would sort of stay hard.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually do think that the issue was that he was hard in the first place. I think that if he was flaccid, it would have actually been easier for them because the sponge wouldn't have been inflated and then have all the blood drop out of it.

MARCUS PARKS

I think flaccid would be harder.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sidestorieslpotl@gmail.com.

ED LARSON

Think about like someone's biceps after they workout.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Pumped.

ED LARSON

They get inflamed and pumped and they're hard and shit. That seems like so much easier to just rip off your biceps when you're just sitting around.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Actually it's difficult actually.

MARCUS PARKS

Okay well...

ED LARSON

Semantics. Some-man-dicks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, these are semantics.

MARCUS PARKS

But always wanting to see the bright side, Armin tried cheering Bernd up by saying, quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "Maybe we can eat your eggs for breakfast."

MARCUS PARKS

He did actually tell him that, eggs meaning-

ED LARSON

His balls.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Testicles. So now that the whole castration thing was said and done, Bernd-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Trigger warning.

MARCUS PARKS

Bernd sort of settled into his own impending death. Armin drew him a bath in his grimy old bathtub and Bernd lowered himself in, quickly turning the brownish water red with the blood flowing from the gaping wound where his penis used to be. This however did not bother Bernd at all. Almost like a child, he would amuse himself by fiddling with the hole to keep the fatal flow of blood coming.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

God.

MARCUS PARKS

And all the while he wanted Armin to assure him that he would eat every part of his body. And whatever he didn't eat, he had to promise to grind it up so no traces would be left of Bernd Brandes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Hey Armin, does it look like without my dick that my balls are sad? Does it look like my balls are lonely?

ED LARSON

I'm surprised he didn't go into shock or anything.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh no, buddy. He wasn't shocked. He wanted this.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think it's because he wanted it and this is a literal fantasy. He was experiencing sexual pleasure as it went through.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

According to him. But it didn't sound like it. But it did. But he said it was.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And that's the thing too is that it's not just Armin saying that this is what he told me, it's videotaped.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh they brought the camera into the bathroom?

MARCUS PARKS

No, it's just the conversations they had.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, they videotaped everything. He videotaped as much as he could.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And they did the butchering and then he did talk with Bernd and then he also did like a little weird little video diary and he had journals.

ED LARSON

I wonder, how was it lit? I guess we saw a picture of it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He had lighting.

ED LARSON

It looked pretty good. Yeah, yeah, probably on a tripod.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

It was bright, yeah. It was definitely on a tripod.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

No, he didn't just put it on the table.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Technically it was easier to light with the VHS cameras.

ED LARSON

Oh nice.

MARCUS PARKS

Now after about an hour in the bath, Bernd passed out and Armin thought that it would finally be his turn to fulfill his fantasy. But it would take a while for Bernd to finally bleed out. After a few hours in the bathtub, Armin moved Bernd to the bed in the slaughter room. There Bernd continued to bleed out while Armin nervously read a Star Trek novel in another room.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you think that you'd be able to talk with him about Deep Space Nine? Are you happy that he's a Trekkie? Because anybody who reads Star Trek novelizations-

MARCUS PARKS

Well he's reading Star Trek novelizations. You know what? That's funny. I forget that it's like 2001. So yeah, it could be a Deep Space Nine novelization. I hear some of those are actually pretty good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We should write him a letter.

ED LARSON

He'd probably enjoy to get a letter.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We should pick up a card.

MARCUS PARKS

Dear Armin-

ED LARSON

Yeah, I don't want to talk about the penis.

MARCUS PARKS

Is the Dominion War the best Star Trek storyline ever or are you wrong?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, dude! We should fucking harass him!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We Star Trek fucking troll.

MARCUS PARKS

Fuck yeah, bro. What do you think about Dominion War? Is it the best or is it the fucking best?

ED LARSON

Yeah. He's like Dominion War can fucking eat a dick.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah. (German accent) I know what that's like as well. Which means I love it!

MARCUS PARKS

The founders vs the Borg? Oh fuck you, the Borg are cooler. Fuck you, Armin!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I was reading this crazy version, it was Star Trek and it was absolutely crazy, it was amazing. Captain Kirk and Spock, they were in showers together. And all they did was like, it was so funny what they did, it was crazy. I was just like you guys are being crazy. And they started like kissing and having sex with each other. And I was like you guys are being funny. This is the funniest shit. Holy shit, they started fucking and I was like this is hilarious.

MARCUS PARKS

Well after another half hour, Bernd asked to go to the bathroom to urinate. And no, I have no idea how that worked. But after helping-

ED LARSON

It's like a fire hydrant. So it's like when they kick over a fire hydrant, it just starts going everywhere.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I mean maybe he just pointed him, he probably just pointed him towards the bathtub actually.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He was already in it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, he's on the bed now.

MARCUS PARKS

No, he'd been moved to the bed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know.

MARCUS PARKS

And so he had to help him back to the bathroom.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I feel like at this point we're just conjecturing.

ED LARSON

Yeah, I don't have facts here.

MARCUS PARKS

But after helping Bernd to the bathroom and back, Bernd told Armin that he was sure to pass out soon and when he did, Armin should slash his throat and finally end his life. Armin agreed. And when Bernd finally lost consciousness around 3:30 am, Armin changed into the slaughter outfit he'd prepared. Wellington boots, dark blue pajamas, and his mother's bed sheet wrapped around him like an apron which is certainly a statement but not one that I can figure out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. It's layered.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He wanted her to be there.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, she'd be so proud. (German accent) I knew you would be impenetrabley Weird. That's why I raised you this way.

ED LARSON

Please supervise!

MARCUS PARKS

After turning the video camera on, Armin walked up to Ben and kissed him before saying a prayer. He then pulled out a seven inch knife and stabbed Bernd's throat several times. It had been 9.5 hours since Bernd's penis had been cut off and it had been less than a day since they'd finally met in person.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Babies having babies.

MARCUS PARKS

That doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's hard, man. You can't rush this shit.

MARCUS PARKS

They are two men in their 40s.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) wise men say, only fools rush in.

MARCUS PARKS

They're older than us.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) But I...

ED LARSON

And they did rush in.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

ED LARSON

Less than 24 hours.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what I'm saying.

MARCUS PARKS

Well after finally killing another human being, Armin was filled with emotions and none of them were good. First he was repulsed at himself. Then he despised Bernd for consenting and pushing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) You made me do this!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Then he felt anger, furious about how much he had needed to fulfill his fantasy and at how he'd been unable to ignore it. And finally of course came guilt. But after all that passed, he moved on to the next emotion, horny.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) There we go. About 15 minutes and I'm back to horny. Ja! Very good. For a second there I was worried about myself. I thought that maybe I had lost it, I'd lost that Armin zhuzh.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) For a second there, maybe all of this had been for nothing. But then I looked down and I was hard as the dickens!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Oh mein groin! Time for daddy's dinnertime! He's just that quick. He goes (weeping) wait a second, burgers and meatballs und ribs und squash. And we've got all sorts of things. And oh! And you've got custard!

ED LARSON

He just turned into Homer Simpson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Armin was filled with satisfaction because he believed that Bernd's flesh would survive inside him after he'd assimilated it, just like Armin had been imagining ever since he became obsessed with the Sandy Ricks character on Flipper. And so when you-

ED LARSON

I was wondering how you were gonna work Flipper back in.

MARCUS PARKS

Flipper back into it. Yeah, yeah. If you're gonna talk Armin Meiwes, you gotta mention Flipper every single episode.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

If is Sandy Ricks is still alive and does cons, can someone for the love of fucking Satan bring this up to him? If somebody, if there is anybody from Flipper still alive-

MARCUS PARKS

Is Luke Halpin still alive?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You have to know that the crime... Oh yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He's still... Oh wow, he's from Astoria!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh my god, dude. We gotta let him fucking know.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Luke Halpin has to know that he inspired Armin Meiwes.

MARCUS PARKS

Somebody, someone-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Someone has to tell him.

MARCUS PARKS

Someone has told him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No way. I think that they have kept this from the guy that... Oh god, now he's making out with Flipper? Get that disgusting picture out of there. What is this, pornography?

ED LARSON

What are you talking about? That's fine. It's a boy loves a dolphin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It's fine. It's fine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He doesn't know what the dolphin's thinking.

MARCUS PARKS

Well you never had pets growing up. So you don't know-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I had many pets. I had dogs.

MARCUS PARKS

You had dogs?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

And hamsters. You guys killed the hamster.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, we had a dog that lived a long time. I had plenty of pets.

MARCUS PARKS

You had dogs?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Valentine was the one I grew up with and then we had Beauty and then we had Raven and we had to give Raven back because Raven attacked the family. But then we had Beauty and then Beauty came with us. But yeah. Then we had birds, we had lovebirds that my father got sexed wrong and then instead of being a female and a male, it was two males and they pecked each other to death. They literally ate each other.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

That's a bad day at the pet store.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. They were having a hard time. They tried to make a go at it for a while but it was hard, it didn't take.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Just show up and he's like I wanna return these dead birds!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well when Armin realized that he was finally going to climax with his biggest fantasy ever, he looked at Bernd's corpse and said, quote, and this is a direct quote, this is on video:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "I bet you can't wait for me to eat you, can you? Oh you lucky thing. You lucky, lucky man. This is the best thing ever!" It's like he's at the Eras Tour.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And I mean actually well he said it in German so it would be (German accent) "Ich wette, du kannst es kaum erwarten, dass ich dich esse, oder? Oh, du Glückspilz. Du glücklicher, glücklicher Mann. Das ist das Beste!" (Rammstein plays) I know I didn't get that perfect but it's not bad.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it is so much worse in German.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That is so much more like...

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It feels more, I feel like it more in the room when you do the German.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh, du Glückspilz?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, du Glückspilz!

MARCUS PARKS

Du glücklicher, glücklicher Mann. You lucky, lucky man.

ED LARSON

Did you watch the video?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You can't.

MARCUS PARKS

There is no video. There's only the stills.

ED LARSON

Do you think they just destroyed it?

MARCUS PARKS

I think they probably did. Because they made sure-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I bet you it's in the Crime Archives.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it might be somewhere.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There has to be a copy of it probably somewhere in some archive. Like I bet that we could, if we went and did some form of whatever their version of a FOIA is in Germany, we could probably, I think we could probably get it.

MARCUS PARKS

No, if someone could have gotten it by now they would have gotten it by now.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well or it's just difficult to find because it's literally a snuff film. So I don't think that it's available in normal avenues. I mean you'd have to go tor, you'd have to go to the deep web to get it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well those stills came from somewhere.

ED LARSON

Netflix.

MARCUS PARKS

Ba-bmmm! Well after caressing Bernd's body, trying to memorize the features of what was no doubt his soulmate-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Aw.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin hung the corpse feet first in the Gein configuration to put the body in a position where it could be emptied of fluid. If you've ever seen the crime scene photos of the body of Bernice Worden, just like that.

ED LARSON

I've seen a pig thing.

MARCUS PARKS

You've seen a pig?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's the same as an animal getting-

MARCUS PARKS

Look up Bernice Worden real quick, you need to see this one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's literally halal style butchering. So what he did is he hangs it up-

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So you slit the throat so all the blood can come out into a bucket.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And then he made a cut in the neck from ear to ear so it could all drain out into buckets upon buckets of blood.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah. She was hung up like that. Yeah, it's not good.

ED LARSON

That makes sense.

MARCUS PARKS

If you go down a little bit, that's it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, that's bad.

ED LARSON

Oh that one?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Same.

ED LARSON

The same way.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, exact same way.

ED LARSON

Now was this photo available to him?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, maybe.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He read all, he was completely obsessed with true crime and he was on the internet. So it was utterly, it was definitely available for him.

MARCUS PARKS

When they say like the Gein configuration, I think that was, I'm not 100% sure but I think that was kind of a term in the cannibal-

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

It was kind of like well if you're gonna kill someone, you're gonna use the Gein configuration.

ED LARSON

Oh see I thought that was something you made up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. No. That is unfortunate. The internet did do that. They also, we found out what Dolcett Girls means. I completely forgot that it's when you take a woman and you spit roast her, you put her on a rotisserie. It's normally artistic representations of this.

MARCUS PARKS

Normally, huh?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Normally, yeah. And then you put the spit through her vagina, out her mouth, and she's supposed to like it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. Amber-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And she's cooked over a fire.

MARCUS PARKS

Amber was obsessed with it for a bit, right?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Go figure.

MARCUS PARKS

Once the body stopped bleeding, Armin sliced at the neck muscle and ligament then twisted the head off where the spinal cord met the skull. Deciding that Bernd would want to quote "join in on the fun", Armin placed Bernd's head on the butcher table, getting very comfortable with the macabre nature of his task very quickly. After skinning the corpse, shivering in pleasure as the tissue made a pronounced ripping noise when it was pulled off, Bernd finished his joke from earlier in the kitchen. After tearing Bernd's scrotum away, he addressed Bernd's head and said, quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "I bet you're sorry you won't be able to join me eating these for breakfast, aren't you, Bernd?" Funny guy!

ED LARSON

Yeah, sometimes they don't always... It's like when I write a joke before the show and then I try to do it during the show and it falls flat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well again, (German accent) "Ich wette, es tut dir leid, dass du nicht mit mir zum Frühstück essen kannst, nicht wahr, Bernd?"

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh. Again, it's just the German makes it so much worse.

MARCUS PARKS

It really does.

ED LARSON

It does.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I mean I know I'm getting all the intonations wrong.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, it works.

ED LARSON

It's such a strict language.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is. Strict people.

ED LARSON

Not these guys.

MARCUS PARKS

Well next Armin tied off the anus with twine to prevent-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, hey.

MARCUS PARKS

Just so everyone knows we just came back from a break.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I had to poop.

ED LARSON

Henry-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I had to go take a shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah.

ED LARSON

Tied off his anus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, no. Mine is still loosey. It's just empty.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. To prevent it from contaminating the rest of the body. Then let out sigh of pleasure as he began removing Bernd's innards.

ED LARSON

Can I ask, how would you tie an anus with twine?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Basically you cut it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then what you do at the very end-

ED LARSON

Do you cut the butt meat off and then tie it?

MARCUS PARKS

You cut the tube out and then you pull it up and you tie it off.

ED LARSON

Okay, okay, okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Like a water balloon kind of.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Exactly.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, you separate it from the end because the sphincter is what connects it to the end of the skin. So you pull out the tube, you cut a hole around it and you pull it out and you tie it off and then you cut the whole thing in half.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Because remember-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Trigger warning.

MARCUS PARKS

When you eat something, from your mouth to your butthole is one continuous tube.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a tube.

ED LARSON

Ah!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's why you can eat a marble and shit it out. It's that easy.

ED LARSON

Down the tube.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, that's what I do.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But just as Armin was really getting into it, he heard something click behind him. The video recorder had run out of tape. So right in the middle of butchering a human being, Armin had to stop, change, and get showered before driving into Rotenburg to buy another.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Dude, how many of us who've worked at various, like I worked at Eckerds. When you work at a retail store or a late night gas station or a pharmacy, you've met five of these guys a day. Like these guys are, it is wild to me to think that he's just... Because then he's like (panting).

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's just like covered in sweat at the thing.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Being like (German accent) I need these tapes. Honestly I could use some gum.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Did you know that you are meeting me on the best day of my life?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Today has been-

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Do you know how much of a happy boy I am?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Do you want to give $1 to save children with harelips?

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) I'll give 10! 20!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Everybody is good. It's Christmas Day!

ED LARSON

(German accent) Buy the biggest goose!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Find the biggest goose you can find! I love it. Oh wonderful, a boy named Goose.

ED LARSON

This is definitely a good advertisement for digital.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

So after buying the tape and returning home, it was finally time to butcher the meat. After removing the arms from the shoulder blade, he chopped the hands off and broke apart the elbow.

ED LARSON

It really would be the funniest iCloud commercial.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just like ugh, ain't it better in the Cloud?

ED LARSON

Sorry.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he comes back and a bunch of ravens are eating his... He's like fuck!

MARCUS PARKS

He then split the body and removed the backbone, which seems to be the step shown in the supposed stills that leaked. But after chopping off the feet, Armin cut the meat from the torso, pelvis, and legs into filets, steaks, bacon, and a big rump roast.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It wasn't that big.

MARCUS PARKS

Big enough. I mean could you eat the entire thing in one sitting?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm just saying I saw that meat, dude. I saw that cattle. He ain't got that badonkadonk.

MARCUS PARKS

You wouldn't think I would have one but I got one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh we talked about this, yes. But I saw the other man's butt.

MARCUS PARKS

You saw his butt?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's not that big.

MARCUS PARKS

How did you see his butt?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's in all the fucking horrible pictures of his dismembered body.

MARCUS PARKS

You only see it from the front.

ED LARSON

Yeah. And it looks a lot different when it's just on a plate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I guess you're right. I'm sorry, guys.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He probably had a fine ass.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just take this all back. I'm sorry. I should not be, I'm sorry.

MARCUS PARKS

But after every bit of edible flesh was removed, all while Armin literally salivated over every cut, he broke his final promise to Bernd. Instead of disintegrating every inedible bit of Bernd's body, Armin dug a hole in his garden and buried Bernd's skin, bones, and inedible innards. The head would eventually be buried as well but for the time being it was kept in the freezer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was chilling out.

MARCUS PARKS

Goddamnit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's funny. That's funny. But yeah, he's-

ED LARSON

Henrytunes.com.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Come on. But because it takes an extreme heat to burn bones.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I think that's what it was.

MARCUS PARKS

Like 3000 degrees.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't think he did it to hurt Bernd, I think that it just was very, very difficult for him to do and he realized he had to bury them.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Now after the burial, Armin returned to the slaughter room to cut the hunks of human flesh into reasonable portions. Then he wrapped each piece in butcher paper and neatly labeled them rump, steak, bacon, or filet. But besides just the sheer joy of achieving his lifelong fantasy, Armin said that he was also excited that he'd be saving big on his grocery bill.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh yes. That's where my head goes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's in all of us.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's in all of us.

ED LARSON

You can't afford not to do it.

MARCUS PARKS

Because the only thing he'd have to buy for a long time, vegetables and pasta. That's it.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now while Armin waited a couple of days for the meat to cure properly before he cooked his first human steak, because he had researched the best way to do this, he fantasized about the meals he would make with Bernd's flesh. Hamburgers, ribs-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Meatballs, stir fry. Really anything you could do with pork.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There's a lot of stuff that he can do.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, Armin. Yeah, There's a lot of stuff. Okay?

MARCUS PARKS

He also experimented with the pieces that didn't really have an animal counterpart, like the hands and feet.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah they do. Chicken feet, hog foot.

MARCUS PARKS

But those aren't-

ED LARSON

Yeah but chicken's way different.

MARCUS PARKS

Way different.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The hog knuckle.

MARCUS PARKS

Way different.

ED LARSON

Hog knuckle's probably similar.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know a hog knuckle like that? You don't fucking cook it up?

MARCUS PARKS

You're being deliberately obtuse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't think so. I'm helping.

ED LARSON

I think a human foot is way different than a fucking pig hoof.

MARCUS PARKS

Or a chicken foot, you fucking idiot.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A chick foot! People eat chicken foot.

MARCUS PARKS

No, I mean like you have to look up recipes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Because you could look up like a monkey meat recipe to see how you could cook a hand.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, I bet.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But also did you see that guy that lost his foot? There was a guy that ate the meat off of his foot and stripped the meat from between the whatever, not the tendrils, whatever it's called.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

ED LARSON

Yeah. But that was in 2012!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Right. I forgot this was pre-cancel culture.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, that's the thing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm sorry, this was all old days back when you could do whatever.

MARCUS PARKS

But the human foot is unique in the animal kingdom. The nearest thing, strangely enough, is the elephant, whose bone structure closely resembles that of a human.

ED LARSON

Interesting.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But you wouldn't turn a human foot into like a side table like you do with an elephant.

MARCUS PARKS

No. Couldn't do that. You could turn it into a paperweight.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cute.

ED LARSON

Yeah. I would imagine skinning it and putting it in the slow cooker would be the best way to do a human foot.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All of this.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think all human meat would be best braised.

ED LARSON

There's gonna be a lot of bones though.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

ED LARSON

There's so many bones in the foot.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Make a broth out of it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But we eat bony fish, fish are full of bones.

ED LARSON

It'd be like goat kinda maybe.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, like goat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's pork broth.

MARCUS PARKS

I actually thought of it more as like a frog's leg.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah sure.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm hungry.

ED LARSON

I'm actually starting to-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, we're all like this.

ED LARSON

It's crazy!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's because we're monsters and I like meat.

MARCUS PARKS

But when it came to meat, Armin made the closest comparison he could. He thought it'd be kind of like curing a Parma ham.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So Armin tried drying a hand and foot in the oven but when they shriveled, he ground them into flour like an actual ogre.

ED LARSON

Wow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. In the ogre's house.

MARCUS PARKS

And you can do that. You can grind human bones to make your bread.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. There was a famine in the 1500s in which people did that.

ED LARSON

Whoa!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's not good, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

No, it's not good for you but you can do it.

ED LARSON

Wow, that's so impressive kinda.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Humans are amazing.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. The other foot he boiled whole, then plated it with ketchup and herbs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ketchup.

MARCUS PARKS

Placing the presentation-

ED LARSON

Mustard! We're in Germany!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The guy is a fucking weirdo.

MARCUS PARKS

He wants the blood.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He wants it to look like blood.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's a fucking... He's again-

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's weird.

MARCUS PARKS

Well he's not doing it to eat it, he's placing the presentation.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

He put it in front of a pot of boiling water because he wanted to make it look like steam was rising from the foot.

ED LARSON

Oh all right.

MARCUS PARKS

This is an artistic effort. He had no desire to eat the foot but just being able to play with fresh human remains was pleasure enough.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Did you never play-

ED LARSON

Well I lost all respect for him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I know. Yeah, I honestly do feel like now we're just playing with your food.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I mean he's doing what he can until the meat's cured.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah and he's jerking off a lot.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Boil it in beer. That'd be fucking good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well to the point of pleasure, Armin masturbated endlessly about the slaughter room experience.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what I'm saying. Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Watching the tape over and over again while he did so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All of this was while he was masturbating. You can pretty much assume that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Well hopefully he washed his hands.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey man, it's his own supply.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But after two days passed, Armin decided the Bernd was finally ready to eat. Now Armin obsessed over the details of how his first meal of human flesh would go. After setting the table with candles, a vase of flowers, and his mother's fine china, Armin briefly considered playing music but decided against it because he wanted to focus completely on the meal. Using a recipe he found on one of his cannibal sites, Armin seared the human steak to medium rare, then plated it with porcini mushrooms, Brussels sprouts and he called it princess potatoes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know what that is.

ED LARSON

Tiny little fingerlings probably.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're probably a very macabre German way of saying fingerling potatoes.

MARCUS PARKS

Those are my favorite potatoes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Me too.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Roasted, they're incredible.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I love them. I love them with chicken.

ED LARSON

Some rosemary.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the pairing wine was a South African merlot.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually-

MARCUS PARKS

He always had red wine with his meat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He loved it.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was a vampire.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And just before Armin dug in, he said a prayer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Thank you for the world so sweet, thank you for the food we eat. Thank you for the birds that sing, thank you god for everything. Amen.

ED LARSON

So do you think he believed-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub. Yay god.

ED LARSON

Do you think he believed in god?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, only god would have provided this bountiful meal for him.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Danke für die so süße Welt, danke für das Essen, das wir essen. Danke für die Vögel, die singen, danke Gott für alles. Amen.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ah! (Rammstein plays) Yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

And as expected, Armin found the steak to be absolutely delicious. He said that as expected, it tasted like pork but he was surprised that it tasted somehow, in his words, stronger.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. He said (German accent) harsher.

MARCUS PARKS

But Armin was not having this meal alone. For company, he brought Bernd's head out of the freezer and he talked to it as he ate his meal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm gonna say for our audience, he was still alone.

ED LARSON

Yeah. No, he didn't feed anyone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, that's alone. That's actually more alone than being by yourself.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually it really is.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And when he was finished, Armin decided that nothing had ever been so delicious. And of course the more he ate, the more sexual satisfaction he gained. By the time he was done with the meal, he was panting with sexual tension, on the verge of orgasm just from the act of eating. But after the first meal was said and done, Armin said he felt powerful, as if he'd absorbed all of Bernd's skills, attributes, and character. It's just how he had imagined it being. He felt stronger and more intelligent, he was the recipient of a true religious experience. But from what his neighbors said, Armin remained the same weird, lonely dork he'd always been throughout the 10 months he ate Bernd's flesh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But think about on the inside.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He really is walking around like he is Super Saiyan.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like there's energy like flowing out of him and everywhere he goes. That's why there's a little bit of is the brain reacting to human meat in a way that we're not really supposed to eat it?

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because a lot of talk about euphoria that they experience when they eat human meat. But it also kind of sounds like they're on drugs. And a lot of times it leads to other massive issues in your body. We're not supposed to eat it. It's bad for us.

ED LARSON

You're not supposed to eat dolphin meat either.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. But the key is, which is honestly he's extremely lucky in the fact that if you are gonna eat human meat, it must be cooked well done. Like you cannot eat raw or medium rare.

ED LARSON

Well he had medium rare.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, he's very lucky because you can get a thing called Kuru or any one of the other type of prion diseases which takes about a decade to kill you and it leaves you completely immobile, covered in your own shit, laughing to yourself and maniacal. So basically it's rabies plus locked- in syndrome.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's not good.

ED LARSON

What's the pork one? Tricklesinos?

MARCUS PARKS

Trichinosis.

ED LARSON

Trichinosis.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. But I believe that that was a play by big chicken.

ED LARSON

No, it's real!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Big chicken came for pork. No, big chicken-

ED LARSON

There's worms!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Big chicken came for pork. Pork is not as bad for you as we think it is because big chicken set up a bunch of shit because they wanted to sink pork because chicken wanted to be the number one white meat.

ED LARSON

You don't need to convince me, I'm not your doctor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I'm telling you this. Technically pork is not white meat, pork is red meat.

ED LARSON

Of course it is!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They lied to us! I'm saying it all came from the chicken industry! All of this comes from beef and chicken lying on pork.

MARCUS PARKS

All right.

ED LARSON

All right. Fucking Polack.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Armin used Bernd's meat in every meal, eating strips of bacon with his eggs in the morning, steaks and roasts at night, and worst of all meatballs at work for lunch.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the worst.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah. You don't want... Someone had to smell it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Someone had to smell it.

ED LARSON

He put it in the microwave.

MARCUS PARKS

He sat right next to another guy that fucking serviced ATMs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh. But then what is he fucking hard as the dickens eating Bernd meatballs while he's in the fucking lunch room while everybody's just sitting around him and he's just going (moaning).

MARCUS PARKS

I would imagine after a while it just became normal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A secret smile?

MARCUS PARKS

Like a secret smile, yeah.

ED LARSON

What his job again? IT.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well he was a computer technician, he serviced ATMs.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. So he was probably next to a guy who was eating human meatballs. Yeah, I'm certain the other guy has just got done killing his daughter.

MARCUS PARKS

And he also knew a lot about computers. Actually there was another listener who wrote that said that Armin Meiwes, one of his relatives knew Armin Meiwes. Like he was the guy in Rotenburg like if your computer broke, you call up Armin. And Armin will come over to your house, he'll stay for way longer than you want him to.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, clicking through and meandering on.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He'll just sit until you kind of go like well, time I guess that I'm gonna let you go.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm gonna let you go.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, let me let you go. Let me let you go is literally the nicest way to say get the fuck out of my house.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm gonna let you go now. That's a very Texas thing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm gonna let you go now.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm gonna let you go. But this is now really where it turns, exactly what we were saying that now the fantasy has been completely realized and he's been eating it to the point truly what you're saying, it got boring. Not boring but run of the mill.

MARCUS PARKS

Routine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's now his life. But his fantasy was fulfilled and he kind of just this all went away. In his own mind oh Bernd just disappeared. But now we're gonna see that now reality is going to come fiercely rushing into Armin's life.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Well not for another year and a half.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I mean it's the idea of it's going to, this is the beginning of what's gonna happen.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

How long did he eat Bernd for?

MARCUS PARKS

10 months.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But while Bernd Brandes the meal was making Armin the happiest boy in Rotenburg, Bernd Brandes the man had been missed right away. See Bernd hadn't told his boyfriend Rene about any sort of trip out of town, business or otherwise, anything that might explain his sudden disappearance on Friday, March 9th, 2001. Finally Rene called the police on Monday who were as usual not concerned about a missing gay man. Rene spent the next few days calling the cops but was consistently told that they were sure Bernd would be home soon. Hitting a dead end with the police, Rene called a Berlin newspaper who recognized there might be something to Bend's disappearance, especially after Rene found the will. That's when he knew something's fucking... Something's weird here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. Something's weird.

MARCUS PARKS

I don't know what this is but something is fucking weird. Soon after a photo was run in De Berliner Zeitung, I think it's The Berliner Times, a missing persons report was finally filed. Meanwhile Armin was starting to slip when it came to keeping his mouth shut.

ED LARSON

He's proud!

MARCUS PARKS

While everyone else still saw him as the same old boring weirdo, he nevertheless developed a strange kind of confidence that almost got him in trouble.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is a common theme among cannibals. So the reason why, because like every video I was watching was all (British accent) it's the final taboo, according to every British thing.

MARCUS PARKS

(British accent) It's the final taboo.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(British accent) The final taboo.

MARCUS PARKS

(British accent) Cannibalism.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. And so it's like this idea of on one hand you have a secret shame. With a lot of cannibals what's different is that they truly have a sense of superiority. And that in some ways Armin believes that his born pathology meant that he was always a step outside of humanity and evolved. Like he kind of viewed himself as I just understand a pleasure that no one else can understand. Very cenobite-like.

ED LARSON

Sure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. And that he walks around with this confidence, with like a pep in his step like he just slept with Pete Davidson. But it's not really. But then we find out no, it actually is gross.

MARCUS PARKS

Well one night while he was out drinking with an old school friend, Armin said that he was looking for a man who was quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "Ripe for the slaughter."

MARCUS PARKS

Understandably confused and shaken by the statement, the friend called Armin the next day and asked what he meant by the whole 'man ripe for the slaughter' thing. Armin of course-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(maniacal laughter)

ED LARSON

(German accent) That whole business?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) You're crazy. I say anything at night. I like saying crazy shit, man.

MARCUS PARKS

And of course he told him forget I said anything.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Okay! (laughter) I meant big tits on a man.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Now after five months, Armin had gone through two thirds of what he'd butchered off Bernd's body. So he was anxious to make sure he got another man lined up so he wouldn't have to go a day without a meal featuring human flesh.

ED LARSON

I'm like that with weed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I don't like to run out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I get real mad when I run out.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I don't wanna run out. I just wanna make sure I have it even if I'm not smoking, I wanna make sure it's there.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm like that with nicotine patches and gum.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

So he returned to the cannibal chat rooms to search for a new candidate, posting ads very similar to what had caught Bernd. This time however he narrowed the age bracket by five years. No longer up to 30, it's now 25. Because I think he was a little miffed that Ben had fudged his age. One of those ads read, quote-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well he also, one thing he said is that he does believe the meat was worse because he was older than he thought he was.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So he does want them, he wants them tight.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So here's the ad. (German accent) "Slaughter boy salt. Are you between 18 and 25 years old, healthy and with a normal build? Do you want to end your life but you want something decent to come out of you? Then come to me. I will slaughter you and worship your body in delicious schnitzel and steaks. Those interested should apply with details of age, height, und weight. Ideally with a photo. Franky, the master butcher.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Der Metzgermeister.

ED LARSON

Nice.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Armin did get a couple of responses but none were willing to agree to a meeting. Deciding that a bigger net catches more fish, Armin again raised the age ceiling to 30.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's hard to be single.

ED LARSON

Yeah, too much to live for at a young age.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. This brought responses from multiple men who came very close to being Armin's next meal plan. And they definitely would have been killed if Armin was a more aggressively violent person.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was waiting for another Bernd.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was waiting for somebody else who was just as aggressive about it. Because it really was, we're not blaming him, but there was a 50/50 edge here.

MARCUS PARKS

Well it wasn't even aggressive, it was more that they had to submit.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And that dude created urgency.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was like I want it and I want it now. And Armin wanted to feel that pressure because that was giving him sexual drive.

ED LARSON

And also he probably figured they were everywhere since first time out was Bernd.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he got one.

MARCUS PARKS

Well actually before that he had met a couple of guys in hotel rooms.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, they just weren't that serious, guys aren't serious.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well the first guy after Bernd, his name was Stefan.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Stephan.

MARCUS PARKS

Stephan. Yeah, Stephan, yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He came to the farmhouse where Armin stripped him naked, strapped him to the slaughter bench, and marked his skin with lines to signify different cuts like ham and filet like it was a fucking Looney Tunes short.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And again, it's all fun and games until the saws come ou.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because yeah, this sounds like kind of fun.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But then it finally dawned on Stephan that Armin was for real.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He immediately became Steven Urkel.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He went back, he changed.

MARCUS PARKS

He begged to be set free and Armin did so. And after they shared a frozen pizza, Stephan went home and never talked to Armin again.

ED LARSON

They didn't cook it or nothing.

MARCUS PARKS

Fucking chop it up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I like it's crunchy. Now do you think that like... How do you go on with your life? How does Stephan like literally go back to work next day and be like what did you do last night, Stephan?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's just being like (German accent) well we played a little game of fake operation. Like what do you do? How do you... Do you just say like (German accent) you know what? Friday was nuts.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

What do you do? Later on you testify at his trial.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Yeah, it's a secret until then.

MARCUS PARKS

The next guy to come out was also a bust, although this one was more interested in the BDSM side of things.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin locked him in the wooden cage he'd built in the slaughter room-

ED LARSON

To make him a veal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And tossed the guy scraps of meat all while the captive man again squealed like a pig.

ED LARSON

Do you think he fed him?

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, no.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, that's his meat, dude.

MARCUS PARKS

That's his meat. He's not gonna waste that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

Eventually the man asked to be set free and he also went home. The next-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just the fucking idea, the guy being in the dog cage, he's going (oinking) oh I'm a piggy, I'm a fucking piggy. And eventually he's like you know what, man?

ED LARSON

I gotta call my wife.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I'm tired. I gotta go.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm finished!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Oh yeah, it's I'm finished! Yeah, you know what actually? I gotta get out of here.

MARCUS PARKS

The next two who visited the house were rejected by Armin because one was too fat-

ED LARSON

Fuck you!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whatever, dude.

MARCUS PARKS

Well that spoiled his fantasy of a lean cut of meat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know. But hey, bro, fucking guess what happens when you throw out whatever bait you got? You get whatever fish gets on the boat.

ED LARSON

You wish you could have this fucking brisket, Armin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man. You wish you could fucking eat my dick. I dare you to try to eat my dick.

MARCUS PARKS

And he said the other one was too stupid and that spoiled the-

ED LARSON

Fair enough.

MARCUS PARKS

Well he loved the idea that he's absorbing something positive from the other person.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He's absorbing their attributes. And I think he truly believed that if he ate a stupid person, he would himself become stupid.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually have a weird theory about cannibalism that I do think that there is something to the concept of DNA memory and that there is something to the concept of there is something that can get passed if you do eat human meat. Because Armin Meiwes did say that Bernd was much better at English than him and his saying that my English improved a massive amount after I ate him was like-

ED LARSON

That's from all the Flipper.

MARCUS PARKS

But you know what? I did notice that his first posting and his second posting-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It got better!

MARCUS PARKS

His English is so much better in the second one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

The first one's like broken and you barely understand what he's trying to say.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Nah, he worked it out.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's learning.

ED LARSON

I feel like if you're eating people, you can't be this choosy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, I actually think it's the opposite. If you're not gonna get caught, you gotta be choosy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean that's the thing is that if you're gonna do this, it's gotta be worth it. Yet another guy was rejected because he wanted Armin to incinerate his genitals with a flamethrower. And while I don't know this for sure, I think it's probable that Armin didn't want to get in the whole rigmarole of another guy who had a castration fantasy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) It reminds me of my ex.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But also I honestly think it was about the flamethrower.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, that's really intense for Armin.

ED LARSON

Yeah, the barn's very flammable.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the one who came the closest to going through with the slaughter was a guy named Dirk, who took the fantasy-

ED LARSON

Of course.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Who took the fantasy all the way to being strapped to the slaughter table with the knives out. But at the last second, Dirk backed out and since Armin needed the person to want to be killed, he let Dirk go.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you think that makes him, like his dick go down? Do you think that they're in this-

MARCUS PARKS

When the guy starts... Of course it does.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you think that he just then doesn't cum? Like they won't just jerk each other off or suck each other off?

MARCUS PARKS

I think no, they have frozen pizza and they go home.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

ED LARSON

It's the same reason you like having sex with a woman who enjoys it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I do.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. Meanwhile Armin had been bragging on his cannibal forums, again using the name of Franky, writing that he'd actually eaten a person unlike all you fucking posers.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Fucking posers! Fucking goddamn Reddit strikes again, it's another one.

MARCUS PARKS

(mocking) I've actually eaten human flesh.

ED LARSON

The rest of you are just shannibals.

MARCUS PARKS

In this, I'd imagine Armin figured he was safe because his confessions were mixed in with so much obvious fantasy. And really if not for one person, Armin would have been safe. As I said, it took 10 months for Armin to make his way through 44 lbs of meat, human meat. And no one-

ED LARSON

That's it, huh?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, 44 lbs. that's what you get.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well that's what he got and that's what he got through.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

How much did he weigh before before he killed him?

MARCUS PARKS

I don't know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know.

MARCUS PARKS

But he seemed to be about my size.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually I think he was about 160 lbs if I remember correctly.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And no one even came close to connecting Armin to Bernd's disappearance. It wouldn't be until December of 2002, more than a year and a half after Bernd's death, that die Polizei would come knocking on Armin's door.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not even a mention of 9/11 by these guys. Not even a fucking mention. Didn't knock his boner down a second, he's eating human meat on 9/11. He's sitting watching 9/11, eating Bernd and just going like (German accent) goddamn, we might get into a real bit of a ruckus with that. This goddamn Saddam Hussein.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Wow, interessant. See the police had been led to Armin through a curious university student who came along one of Franky's posts and emailed antrophagus@hotmail. com. The student however was soon met with extremely elaborate descriptions of cannibalism that seemed realistic enough where the student deleted his account out of fear. With these emails in his possession, the student informed the Federal Criminal Police of Hesse and quite suddenly the cannibal forums had an uptick in new users that were all of course undercover cops.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is the only time I feel bad for police.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

When they have to do shit like this and they're just like yeah, eat me, daddy. Yep, yeah. I'm your freshly, I'm your freshly shucked turkey. I'm ready to be stuffed, filled with stuff, filled with spices and I'm ready to be consumed. Yep.

ED LARSON

I feel like you would have been such a good cop.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I would have been great for this, being like then we'll get the gravy and oh big pile of me, don't you want it? Aren't you ready for it? Just so... Oh yeah, I'd be a slut for this.

MARCUS PARKS

Well many cops answered Armin's ad, they're going at him from all angles.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But now he's just being like (German accent) okay, now you guys are just lying.

MARCUS PARKS

And it took them two months to identify Franky the cannibal as Armin Meiwes the computer guy. After identifying Armin, police arrived at his farmhouse in Wüstefeld to ask him a few questions and search the house. Armin of course cracked after just 20 minutes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

20 minutes.

MARCUS PARKS

When the police straight up asked Armin if he'd ever eaten human flesh, Armin said, and this is true:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "I may have."

MARCUS PARKS

Following Armin's confession... Just (German accent) I may have.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I may have.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) Perhaps.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(giggling)

ED LARSON

And that's when you beat him to death with a shovel.

MARCUS PARKS

Following Armin's confession, police searched the disgusting farmhouse and discovered the remaining packages of Bernd's meat in a false bottom in Armin's freezer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And how they knew it was different was that according to the police, there was like one of them was a lady police officer and she was like (German accent) I am a housewife and I know what meat is and this is not normal meat.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Cool.

MARCUS PARKS

They did not however find the videotape of Bernd's slaughter and butchery. Now incredibly the police did not arrest Armin on the spot. Instead they took his 16 computers, 200 hard drives, and 300 videotapes, all just chock full to the brim with pornography and torture.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Enjoy!

MARCUS PARKS

And just like the gore. Just the worst shit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he's like (German accent) ah yes!

ED LARSON

(German accent) It's in there somewhere!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Hope you like the search!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. They had to see what they could see. They had to watch all of it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And they also took the frozen meat. Armin meanwhile was left alone to panic. After a while he called his half brother Ingbert just to talk it through. But it was his sister-in-law, Ingbert's wife, who answered the phone. Since Ingbert wasn't home, Armin decided that the first person he was gonna confess to was this poor woman he barely knew.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly that does make sense.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

(German accent) Okay, listen. The cops are here, they took all my human meat. I know we barely know each other.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) I know we only met once at the wedding.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Who is this? I haven't updated my contacts.

MARCUS PARKS

Now at first this woman figured that Armin had been caught with child pornography.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First of all being like let me guess, child porn? As soon as he calls.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh the cops took all your hard drives? Tell me more. But when she asked him straight up did they catch you looking at child pornography? He instead said oh no, I killed someone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a relief.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I would much rather you be a murderer.

MARCUS PARKS

And then he hung up the phone.

ED LARSON

As long as it's not a child murderer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, sure.

MARCUS PARKS

There you go.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Still again, is that weird? I'd rather you kill him than eat them and fuck them.

MARCUS PARKS

That's real fucked up.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well...

ED LARSON

I guess I don't have a preference.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm gonna go ahead and say I don't have to choose.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think that's right. I just do.

MARCUS PARKS

Well realizing that he now immediately needed legal representation, Armin drove into Rotenburg and found the lawyer who'd formally represented him in his DWI cases.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a whole different procedure.

MARCUS PARKS

The thing is dude wasn't even a criminal, he was a divorce lawyer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I mean that's who you'd call. I feel like if there's a divorce lawyer that's gonna handle you being a cannibal... I just feel like that's who I would call

MARCUS PARKS

So this guy did not take it well when Armin told him that he'd killed eating someone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Goddamnit, Armin. I can't get involved in something like this.

MARCUS PARKS

Once the lawyer recovered from the shock of the confession, he told Armin to turn himself in because everyone here, everyone's way out of their depth, Armin.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Ja. Ja, I can understand. I'm an expert level case. I'm me, I'm unique.

MARCUS PARKS

And Armin agreed. After showing up to the police station, Armin gave a full statement admitting to killing and eating a person named Bernd Brandes. And news of his unnatural acts soon spread throughout Rotenburg and eventually the entire world. This was a worldwide case.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Newspapers!

MARCUS PARKS

Everyone knew about Armin Meiwes.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Billboards!

MARCUS PARKS

Now Armin's trial began about a year after he confessed. And as in all German trials involving a death, this is interesting, their justice system is very different-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Weird.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. A panel made up of three judges and two civilians would decide Armin's fate.

ED LARSON

Oh.

MARCUS PARKS

We just got jury system for basically everything.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Jury of your peers. Germany, different crimes, different panel.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Could it be like two guys? Could it be like Carrot Top and like somebody? Is it just randoms or is it-

ED LARSON

I imagine it could be.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean I didn't really look into it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah. We don't gotta get lost in these weeds, we don't know how this works.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin's defense of course was that he was enacting a kind of euthanasia, killing on demand for a person who desperately wanted to die. Basically it was the Kevorkian argument except that while Kevorkian was all about dying with dignity, Brandes was explicitly asking to die without dignity.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. (German accent) What if I want this bad way to go? What if I want everyone to frown when they hear my name?

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) What if dignity went out the window?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. (German accent) This is it. That's where I am, that's what I like.

ED LARSON

I wonder how many people Kevorkian ate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I mean... Oh god.

MARCUS PARKS

Now Armin had been studying the law in jail and found that his earlier assumption that cannibalism was illegal, he found that was wrong. There was no law specifically against cannibalism in Germany. And Armin spoke about this subject for hours in open court. In fact Armin spoke more than his lawyer.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's almost like it's what he's always wanted.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

As far as witnesses went, Armin's failed second attempts at cannibalism testified about their near misses with Armin and Armin's half-brother Ingbert also testified. His other half-brother Wolfgang, he'd since become a priest so he didn't want anything to do with this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Listen, I'm already in three other trials. Okay? I can not be... I am full. I am full, Armin.

ED LARSON

They call me Wolfgang Suck.

MARCUS PARKS

Now besides Armin's own admission, there was of course the videotape of the slaughter and butchery, which had to be viewed by the jury panel as well as two attorneys, a few expert witnesses, and the poor court reporter who had to both watch and type out all of the conversations between Armin and Bernd.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So this is where in Last Podcast on the Left history we see that the jury's experienced two extremes in this life. One is the incredible day, on one extreme, when a group of people all got to go look, it's for work, at Jodi Arias's butthole and see great pictures of her naked body and that must have been awesome for them. That's a great day to be a juror.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is the exact opposite of the spectrum because you have a bunch of people that obviously have never seen somebody be murdered openly on film before.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But nevermind the fact... Like you're watching murder and that's bad enough, that's bad. But then you have the guy who's getting murdered screaming (German accent) I wish I could feel it! I wish I could! And he's going yes! Yeah! And you're watching a guy be unable to bite the dick off, a hard dick off a man. It's a long day.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And it's two videotapes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's a long day.

MARCUS PARKS

Remember, he had to go to the store and buy a second one.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a thing where everybody's coming out like with the handkerchiefs, like whew.

ED LARSON

Yeah. No fast forwarding, man. It's like 8-track.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, you've got to watch each minute of it. Yeah, because it's hard. That was like they talk about it's traumatizing. They watched a guy beg to be murdered and it's extremely confusing.

ED LARSON

They'll never be the same.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

And then not only watched him get murdered but then watched the other guy-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Butcher him like he's a fucking lamb that you got at the store.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. But after watching the tape and interviewing Armin, the expert witnesses came away with pretty much the same opinion. They were all psychiatrists. One determined that Armin was mentally well and stable but he needed therapy.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he could use a place to talk.

ED LARSON

A touch.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, a little adjustment.

MARCUS PARKS

A sexologist named Klaus Beier who had a degree in sexual medicine, he agreed-

ED LARSON

Is that cum?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That is cum.

MARCUS PARKS

That's cum.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's all I know, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Sexual medicine. Yeah, it's cum.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's cum.

MARCUS PARKS

CUM! He said that Armin was not technically mentally ill and so Armin was pronounced fully sane by the jurist panel. Now by the time the second week of the trial was wrapping up, Armin thought that things were going extremely well for him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I am crushing this. Everybody's loving me.

ED LARSON

I mean he was though!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was.

ED LARSON

As far as like a cannibal trial goes-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, it's going as well as it could. Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

This is the best it can go. Yeah. It's definitely going better than Dahmer's trial.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin loved being the center of attention and he was the face of cannibalism. And he believed that he'd made his case that he was innocent because Bernd had wanted to die. And really I wonder if it would have made any difference if Bernd had been the one to take the action that ended his own life and was videotaped doing so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I agree.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But in the end, all that mattered was that Armin was the one who'd stuck the knife in Bernd's throat. And he was convicted of manslaughter on January 30, 2004. One of the judges declared that legally this was manslaughter and not murder because quote "the famous lust for murder, the Lustmord, was not a part of Armin's motivation.

ED LARSON

And he would have killed all the other people too.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Of course.

MARCUS PARKS

Well that was the big argument. He's like (German accent) look, I didn't kill all these guys.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

(German accent) It's fine. In other words, this judge essentially agreed that Armin's cannibalistic desires were an inescapable trait of his personality.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's just me!

MARCUS PARKS

But he did not kill anyone against their will in order to feed those desires.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) It's not illegal to be me.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. (German accent) Legalize Armin!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well as such, Armin was sentenced to 8 years, 6 months. But with good behavior he could have expected to return to his farmhouse in less than 5. This however was not a satisfying conclusion for the German people. Now Germany does have a double jeopardy law in place in which a person cannot be tried for the same crime twice. But unlike the double jeopardy law in America, which I found out is like the most I guess strict in the entire world-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Our double jeopardy?

MARCUS PARKS

Our double jeopardy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Nobody does double... Like with us, it's like if you are fucking convicted... You cannot be tried for the same crime twice. If you're found innocent-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Even if the fucking murder weapon shows up the day after the trial-

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it shows that you did it, there's nothing they can do.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, can't do anything. But in Germany, both the defense and the prosecution can appeal against the judgment if they disagree with it. And so after Armin's sentence was deemed too lenient and a retrial was had in 2006, he got life in prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's probably best.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because he was just gonna cook and eat more people.

MARCUS PARKS

I don't think he would have.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Buddy, oh buddy.

MARCUS PARKS

I don't think he would have found another guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually think that the boost of the trial would have brought the guys to him.

MARCUS PARKS

All his milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Or he'd just move.

MARCUS PARKS

He could move.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he's got a beautiful house.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

No he doesn't. It's disgusting.

MARCUS PARKS

Now while this seems a little unfair by American standards-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, that's unfair. Yeah, Marcus.

MARCUS PARKS

Bear in mind that Armin is perfectly happy in prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

He enjoys the structure, he enjoys the fame, and he likes that other inmates call him der Kannibale.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

This is my boyfriend, Salt Lick.

MARCUS PARKS

Fellow inmates find Armin intelligent and even admirable because he regularly takes the time to help inmates with legal matters or in writing letters when they need help. He's like the Bernie Madoff of cannibals.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's a nice guy.

MARCUS PARKS

As Armin put it, he feels the best and most stable he's ever felt in his life in prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) I'm here, I'm in my lane, moisturized, living life.

MARCUS PARKS

It's like it provided him with the family he'd always yearned for. In other words, Armin finally got the hug.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

In prison.

ED LARSON

Interesting. And he doesn't have to fix ATMs anymore.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

But not without a sense of humor, Armin once requested for Christmas (German accent) an eight inch bockwurst banger in garlic and white wine, prepared with one of the recipes he'd used to braise Bernd Brandes' flesh. Also not without humor, and this is very funny you know, the German prison officials did give him the sausage but did not prepare it in the way Armin requested it. It's very funny you know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Oh you get a little bit but not all the way that you life, you funny little man. You funny guy.

MARCUS PARKS

Today Armin says he regrets killing and eating Bernd Brandes and even wanted to write a biography trying to deter anyone else from doing what he did.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jerkoff. That's fucking, he's full of fucking shit.

ED LARSON

Yeah, no. He was gonna make it wonderful.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was just gonna jerk off while writing the fucking book. I think that he is a full on predator.

MARCUS PARKS

By his estimation though, there are about 800 cannibals in Germany which seems high.

ED LARSON

Not for Germany.

MARCUS PARKS

Armin however did not say whether those are active cannibals or merely people with intense cannibalistic fetishes just like him who are all waiting for someone to say yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what they say, there's a lid for every pot.

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) I'm in love with the world, through the eyes of a girl, who's still around the morning after.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What is that song?

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) Say yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. Well what a wonderful story. I've loved every fucking second of this. Thank you, Marcus. Good work, Eddie.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Good work, Rob. Sorry for making you look at a bunch of horrible shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Thank you, Rob.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Thank you to our research team, Joel and Shaw who also had to read a bunch of horrible shit.

MARCUS PARKS

They did great.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But welcome. Thank you guys. Next week, beginning a big series. Can't wait.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Huge four part series. It's a history series. It's one of the... I can't fucking wait for this, I've been waiting so long to do this story. And man, like this story, it is so much more than you think it is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. I love this story. I am kind of bowled over about how big this story is.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's great. So can't wait to come back with that story next week. Don't forget to go to our Patreon, patreon.com/lastpodcastonthe left. You can go and watch all of the video episodes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ja!

MARCUS PARKS

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HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Go watch us.

MARCUS PARKS

Be sure to check us out at twitch.tv/LPNtv for all the streams we do.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're making stuff! Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And you can also check out our YouTube channel for all the streams where they posted after the fact. And come see us on tour, go to lastpodcastontheleft.com to see all the shows. We're coming to Washington DC in July.

ED LARSON

July 13th.

MARCUS PARKS

Can't wait.

ED LARSON

Warner Theater. Come on with it, you fuckers!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Gonna be coming to New York City and we're gonna be doing a show here in LA. But we're also gonna be going to London and Reykjavik in October. And of course we have our big Australian tour coming up here in just a couple of months in August. Can't wait to fucking see you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah! And then hopefully we get to meet some willing people ready to be eaten so we can try that.

MARCUS PARKS

Quite possibly.

ED LARSON

Australia, I bet there's a couple.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I really want to, I think it'd be nice to at least meet some. And then we can just all hang out.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually when we ate raw kangaroo the last time we were in-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That was gross.

MARCUS PARKS

I remember thinking like this might be what it's like to eat human flesh because it was fucking disgusting.

ED LARSON

Was it ground up?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

No, it was like filets.

ED LARSON

Really?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It kind of was like served like sashimi.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

No, that's not the way to do it. I would do it like tartare.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was seared.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was seared and then cold. It was gross.

ED LARSON

Oh weird. That doesn't sound good.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Someone actually, where do we get good kangaroo? Email us sidestorieslpotl@gmail.com.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

In one of the cities that we're gonna be in.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, one of them.

ED LARSON

I'm sure Adelaide.

MARCUS PARKS

I was about to say Adelaide is gonna be the town for the kangaroo.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Probably.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, I'm not getting fucking kangaroo from Adelaide after doing the Snowtown shit.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What the fuck is wrong with you?

ED LARSON

They got a bunch of extra meat going around there.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not anymore.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm just saying that's the place.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All right, bye, everybody! Hail Satan!

MARCUS PARKS

Hail Gein!

ED LARSON

I got no one to...

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Come on, man. Julia Child.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah, Julia Child. Hail Julia Child.