Episode 554 - Necrophilia

MARCUS PARKS

He's a chutney farmer. Come and eat his clag nuts. Come and have a can smacker. Up his curry bongo, take it up the bum. Up me, prick sombrero.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Prick sombrero, that really works, I'm a council grifter. I'm a council grifter.

MARCUS PARKS

Gritter. Council gritter.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Come and suck me clinkers. Which is another good one.

MARCUS PARKS

Lovely, lovely, lovely.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow, Jimmy Savile really could put together a nice song.

MARCUS PARKS

Turn of phrase. He's a man who really knew how to do a turn of phrase. It's incredible. And he's one of the men that we'll be talking about here today on Last Podcast on the Left. My name is Marcus Parks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I am Henry Zebrowski.

ED LARSON

I am disgusted with both of you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Very good. I'm so excited to finally-

MARCUS PARKS

That's Ed Larson with us.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm finally... This is a true old fashioned Last Podcast on the Left subject.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's been a minute. Because again, it's relatable because who doesn't like to crack open a couple of cold ones after work? Come on, guys. Come on, you fuckers.

MARCUS PARKS

Woo!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's about to get fucking nasty.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh man.

ED LARSON

My first question is like how illegal is this?

MARCUS PARKS

Well it varies from state to state and I will answer your questions as we go along.

ED LARSON

I was more talking about us talking about it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, no. This is commentary.

MARCUS PARKS

Free speech!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Free speech! I'm out of jail, baby! Nah man. Ooh yeah. Come on!

MARCUS PARKS

Today's we're talking necrophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yay!

MARCUS PARKS

We're getting deep into this subject.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. That's another good turn of phrase.

ED LARSON

Did you go to the Necrophilia Museum in Los Angeles?

MARCUS PARKS

Necrophilia Museum?

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liza Minnelli's house.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He got them!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Got 'em!

MARCUS PARKS

Now to the uneducated-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh god.

MARCUS PARKS

Defining necrophilia seems like it would be a simple task, ie a necrophiliac is someone who has sex with dead bodies. But in having this frankly unenlightened opinion, you'd be oversimplifying a massively complicated and fascinating paraphilia that has no less than 10 distinct subdivisions.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't put your record collector eyes on this. All right? This ain't about like what's the most hipster version of having sex with a corpse. All right. Because it sounds like it's just you that views it as a complex gray rainbow.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

It is not just me, it is also the author of the textbook 'Necrophilia: Forensic and Medico-legal Aspects' by Anil Aggrawal. Also the person who really breaks this down is the author of 'Grave Desire: A Cultural History of Necrophilia', that's Steve Finbow.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I was going through a couple of academic papers because I was trying to find some more like why? Answers like why, how do we get here? And it's funny because there really isn't a lot of like sort of academic pursuit of the subject. And one author wrote this thing and being like it is absolutely fascinating and I just can't believe there's not a lot more directed study on necrophilia. And it's like it's necrophilia. And so it's not popular, it's not super popular, it's not on the trending topics.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We are not gonna hit the top of TikTok. I don't know if they have NecroTok.

ED LARSON

Yeah, TikTok as in seconds to live.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

There must be some kind of NecroTok. I'm gonna look that up.

MARCUS PARKS

All right. While you look it up, I'm gonna read you a delightful passage from 'Grave Desire'.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

"The necrophile becomes a mythical monster in order for society to maintain a moral status quo. Necrophilia becomes the ultimate fetish, the last paraphilia, the weather gauge for society's moral storm.'

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's fucking a corpse. You know what I mean?

ED LARSON

You can't make it pretty, you can't pretty it up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No one's doing it cool. There's no Elvis of necrophilia. Like there's nobody who's bringing it to the masses. There's no Taylor Swift bringing it from country to pop.

ED LARSON

Yeah. If you were cool, you'd fuck the living.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, that's the idea.

MARCUS PARKS

Most cool people do.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This story, let's just say it lacks charmers. You know what I mean? There's nobody in here... Even every serial killer we've covered, we've always kind of found, not always, but sometimes there's like a relatable point.

MARCUS PARKS

Something, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And we're gonna get into why, like what we're talking about here today. But these are people that make their whole nut fucking corpses.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because a necrophile, when you say the word necrophile, it just sounds like a guy who opens up a corpse butthole and starts smelling it and he's like I'm getting woodsy, I'm getting tennis balls, I'm getting cedar.

MARCUS PARKS

Well if we must put it into a box, necrophilia in its purest form-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You mean a fucking casket?

ED LARSON

Yeah. No, vagina, Henry. Come on, think.

MARCUS PARKS

Necrophilia in its purest form is sexual gratification that comes from having an encounter with the dead. If you want to get granular with it, the act itself is called necro-coitus, while the more Greek among you might call it thanatophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Have you ever seen Nekromantik?

MARCUS PARKS

I don't think so. I know the Band Nekromantix.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's cool. No, it's one of those movies that when I was a younger man, I was always looking for whatever was the single most fucked up thing I could see.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Right? I loved it. I was fascinated with it. And it was about six months ago, I'd never seen Nekromantik before and it's on the list of all the most fucked up movies ever. Because it's about like a guy that we'll cover today, a truly romantic version of necrophilia.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Tom Petty.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. But I couldn't watch it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's really gross. I was like oh man, I'm getting fucking soft. And it's not the same.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow, you really are. Getting soft in your old age. What's happening?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know.

MARCUS PARKS

Well maybe I can toughen you up with some of this shit because it's gonna get fucking awful.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let's do it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well often but not always, necrophilia is coupled with other transgressive acts like sadism, murder, cannibalism, vampirism, and necrophagia. Necrophagia is different from cannibalism because necrophagia is the act of eating the flesh of the dead raw for sexual gratification. Often cannibalism is cooked, like it's prepared.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

There's more often like rituals accompany cannibalism.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also because a lot of times it's tagged on to other crimes.

MARCUS PARKS

Exactly.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is, somebody eating raw is called Suzy Sashimi.

ED LARSON

Now what if the person's still alive when you eat part of them?

MARCUS PARKS

That would be cannibalism.

ED LARSON

That's cannibalism?

MARCUS PARKS

That's definite cannibalism.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Because necrophagia is specifically flesh from a dead body.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because there have been people that have been willingly cannibalized.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. There's also necropedophilia and necrobestiality, both of which are self-explanatory.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, they aren't. I don't understand.

ED LARSON

Sex with dead children, sex with dead animals.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Thank you.

ED LARSON

Thank you so much.

MARCUS PARKS

Now the spectrum for necrophilia runs wide, from a mere obsession with corpses to the act of murdering to obtain, mutilate, and possibly eat corpses, àla Jeffrey Dahmer or Dennis Nilsen. But for today-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They were the closest we have to an Elvis of necrophilia.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Dahmer I suppose would be the closest to an Elvis of necrophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

Or Ted Bundy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, Ted Bundy also necrophiliac.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Good work, you did the reading.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But for today, we're going to shift our focus away from the more infamous necrophiliacs to some of the lesser known practitioners, the ones who seek out bodies that are already dead or those who have a romantic attraction to specific dead bodies they had previous relationships with.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I also think this is, how do I put this, pure necrophiliacs.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

These are guys who are not doing it just because they're curious after they killed somebody and they're a serial killer. Because they're a serial killer first, necrophiliac second, right.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

These are guys that focus in on this because again, it's its own art form.

MARCUS PARKS

It is. But although I would argue that Jeffrey Dahmer was a necrophiliac first and a serial killer second.

ED LARSON

Cannibal third?

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure. Yes. Well yeah, that's a long conversation we can have that would ruin many people's afternoons.

MARCUS PARKS

Thanksgiving's coming up, people.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I will save it. My mom's in town. We can do it at the smokehouse.

ED LARSON

Oh god, yes. Do you think they would do it for us? Just walk in with half an arm. It's like we have a special request.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, yes, yes. Don't worry, it's kosher.

MARCUS PARKS

Tell them it's her birthday, they'll do it.

ED LARSON

They'll put a candle in it.

MARCUS PARKS

Now as you might imagine, 95% of necrophiliacs are men. Or at least 95% of necrophiliacs who are caught are men. But that 5% of female necrophiles can be quite chatty when they want to be. They like to talk.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

When we were talking on the phone, I think partially it's that too where it's most of the time you have to hear from the necrophiliac if they've done it.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And the thing about being a dude is that we leave shoot, right.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We leave the spider webs. A lady, yeah, you can leave a slug trail but it's harder to see.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. It is harder to see. However the necrophiliac we're gonna talk about right now, Karen Greenlee, did leave behind a bit of a trail.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Karen Greenlee, whom we've mentioned in the past is covered in Carla Valentine's paper 'Dead Inside: Female Necrophilia, UK Law, and the Penetration Paradox'.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Penetration Paradox is gonna be my DJ set. That's my album.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Karen Greenlee was a self described morgue rat and she claimed to have had sex with somewhere between 20-40 men.

ED LARSON

Big difference. That's a big difference.

MARCUS PARKS

Between 20-40?

ED LARSON

It's either double or... Like it's crazy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a fucking whirlwind in there, man.

ED LARSON

If they say 20-40, it's 60.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Especially necrophiliacs.

MARCUS PARKS

Well she said that she would spend hours in the morgue riding bodies cowgirl style. And her version of a male orgasm during these riding sessions would be when blood or other fluids would spill from the mouth of the deceased during necro coitus.

ED LARSON

That's why you don't let them get on top.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's why, exactly why.

MARCUS PARKS

Ah! It's in my hair!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's in my hair! She said that she really liked 69. Shed rub the clit on the nose. And then she also said she found the odor of death extremely erotic. (British accent) Oh now you've got your body that's been floating in the bay for two weeks or a burn victim, that doesn't attract me much. But a freshly embalmed corpse is something else.

MARCUS PARKS

Why are you giving her that voice? She's from fucking Sacramento.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(British accent) Ah I love the dead.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Karen, she would even attend the funerals of the corpses she defiled.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I would get to mourn ride along with the family at the loss of that loved one, except I was groaning in a little different tone. I was coming! Oh you're crying, Mommy?

ED LARSON

Going to the funeral is a little more respectful than just banging a random corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

You're gonna see a lot of people who go to the funeral. It's a pretty common practice.

ED LARSON

Good, good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You say respectful, it think honestly it's more into the paraphilia. It's building up tension.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're being a part of this process, you're making it personal in your way. This paraphilia to us, like we're making fun of it and making fun of necrophilia. To them, this is extremely personal and romantic and complex and they view it as legit.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So in that realm, that's like a date for them, going to their funeral.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. By 1979, Greenlee's obsession had reached a fever pitch. One night she stole a hearse with a body inside from the mortuary in Sacramento where she worked. She then used the body for sex for two days before she was found overdosed on codeine in the back of the hearse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think the codeine probably had something to do with some of the necrophilia.

MARCUS PARKS

The codeine addiction?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I don't know. Codeine makes you sleepy.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And from how she describes it, her sex life was quite active.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I get horny when I'm sleepy.

ED LARSON

You get horny when you're sleepy?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Weird.

ED LARSON

That is weird.

MARCUS PARKS

I get hungry.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Good.

ED LARSON

I get sleepy. I go to sleep.

MARCUS PARKS

But since there was no law on the books in California against specifically necrophilia at the time-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man.

MARCUS PARKS

She was only fined $255 and sentenced to 11 days in jail for interfering with the burial and illegally driving a hearse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know that's a frustrated ass judge.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Being like I want to figure out what to do with you, ma'am. And meanwhile she's going like I can't wait til you die, I'm going to fuck your bones!

ED LARSON

It's legal!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's legal!

MARCUS PARKS

You'll be pleased to know however that a section of the California Health and Safety Code was amended in 2004 to explicitly forbid necrophilia. And this was signed into law by none other than Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

ED LARSON

Hell yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know why? Because he loved muscles. And muscles require blood.

ED LARSON

Or he thought he was gonna do it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah. I've got to stop! I've got to terminate necrophilia!

MARCUS PARKS

Well this delay in outlawing necrophilia specifically is actually pretty common because most states are reticent to put necrophilia on the books until they absolutely have to.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you think it's because like partially, is it giving people ideas?

MARCUS PARKS

I don't think it's giving people ideas because only about 40 states have gotten around to making it specifically illegal. There's still 10 states out there, I'm not gonna tell you which ones, where you can still legally be a necrophile.

ED LARSON

Wisconsin!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I don't understand-

ED LARSON

New Mexico!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Why is it so hard? Like truly, why is it so hard to get them to come down on necrophilia?

MARCUS PARKS

I think it's because, I mean there's no federal statute-

ED LARSON

Because we don't wanna lock up Biden's wife.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah! Yeah! Got 'em!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let me be clear, I am not dead.

MARCUS PARKS

Well there's no federal statute forbidding necrophilia because I think no senator wants to be known as the guy who put the necrophilia provision in the latest crime bill.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know my constituents love to fuck the dead. I know that.

ED LARSON

I will keep it legal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know they do. Have you heard the term, the necrophiliac term for what they are as a group of people? Like mostly they want meat on the bone but there is a group that love just fucking skeletons and coming all over skeletons.

MARCUS PARKS

I think coming all over skeletons would be the operative word. It's masturbating-

ED LARSON

When is the meet up, Marcus?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You're not catching me! You're not catching me out!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You could put it through the ribcage, you could put it through the pelvis hole.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

I guess you could put it through the ribcage. That's a pretty small opening though.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's more like rubbing, it's rubbing.

MARCUS PARKS

Friction.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They call it porking the bone.

MARCUS PARKS

Who's they?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This guy.

MARCUS PARKS

But if you're wondering about the aforementioned penetration paradox when it comes to female necrophile, some use erectile dysfunction vacuum pumps to manually generate an erection in deceased men or so they claim.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Others say they use hydraulic pumps that are attached to thin plastic tubes that are inserted and sutured into the dead phallus. However I'm inclined to agree with author Carla Valentine when she brings these claims into question.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I would agree.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because again, that takes a lot of time. You're talking about a lot of time in a room with cameras, if you're getting at a corpse that's in a hospital, it'll take some time.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. If you're in that situation.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But Karen Greenlee, I mean she was doing her shit in the 70s, not a lot of surveillance cameras in the morgue.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And she said that she would have hours with the corpse. And if you have a penis pump, like that's just, you're done in five seconds.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A lot of bush hair in that time period.

ED LARSON

Risk of sounding like an idiot, what about rigor mortis?

MARCUS PARKS

Exactly. Well everyone talks about the so-called angel lust in which a dead body achieves an erection postmortem. You heard of that?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You heard about this?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You heard about this? Have you seen this?

ED LARSON

Well I didn't know it was called angel lust but I knew you get hard when you die.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Is that true? I actually didn't know that?

MARCUS PARKS

You didn't know about angel lust?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, I don't get Angel Lust magazine, Marcus.

MARCUS PARKS

Everyone knows that if this podcasting thing didn't work out, I was gonna go to mortuary sciences school.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Of course.

MARCUS PARKS

I know this stuff.

ED LARSON

That's very good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Of course.

MARCUS PARKS

But Angel Lust usually only happens in hanging deaths or other forms of death in which there is intense pressure on the cerebellum. It also doesn't happen hours or days after death. And it doesn't just happen to men either. When women are hung, their vaginas will also engorge, the clitoris will also engorge and in some cases,blood shoots out of the vagina.

ED LARSON

Wow!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So my question... It just gets big?

MARCUS PARKS

It engorges.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's like Homer Simpson mouth? I've seen those, have you seen that meme?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it. I've seen it. But it doesn't happen hours or days after death, it's something that happens in the immediate, in the immediate time right after death. Maybe our coroners or mortuary workers could help us out with this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. So please email sidestorieslpotl@gmail.com.

MARCUS PARKS

But Valentine says that the claims of pumps, hydraulic or manual, are dubious at best considering the amount of congealed blood contained in a dead penis. On this subject, I will defer to the professionals and we shall give an update on Side Stories.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Thank you.

MARCUS PARKS

I do know that a penis after a certain period of composition does blow up like a balloon until it bursts, much like the stomach.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Gasses, various insects, of course maggots are gonna be everywhere by that time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you want more of the cornbread stuffing, Marcus? You like dark meat, right, Marcus?

MARCUS PARKS

Now speaking of coroners and mortuary workers, you may not be surprised to know that certain jobs attract necrophiliacs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But some of these professions are less obvious than others.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, guys who work at toll booths, anybody at a DMV, the IRS.

ED LARSON

I worked at a Buffalo Wild Wings and we had a couple.

MARCUS PARKS

While we expect the grave diggers, cemetery employees, and mortuary attendants to have a higher percentage than other folk, necrophiles are also prevalent in the ranks of soldiers, ambulance drivers, and volunteer firefighters.

ED LARSON

Because they got the freshies.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They get the freshies. And then think about white pedophiles are attracted to being teachers, priests, senators, like partially what that does is it gives you... Because again, it's built into your role that they trust you.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh man. Now, crazy thought. What if like an EMT doesn't save somebody just so they can fuck them?

MARCUS PARKS

Very possible.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

ED LARSON

That's crazy.

MARCUS PARKS

It's very, very possible. Yeah, basically any profession in which a corpse is likely to show up. And if the urge is strong enough, then yeah, they might not give CPR to that corpse in order to touch... Well that's the thing, we'll get into what EMTs are mostly into and firefighters.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

They're not really into the actual fucking of the corpse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not all of them. Not every EMT, not every firefighter.

MARCUS PARKS

No, not every-

ED LARSON

Just the volunteers. Why do you not get paid for this? Oh I get paid.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh don't worry, I get mine.

MARCUS PARKS

Well we'll get to their area of necrophilia later.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Now while we think of necrophilia as a lowly crime committed by subhuman beasts, this transgression occurs with fair regularity in the ancient histories amongst the great men. According to the Babylonian Talmud, composed between 306-100 CE, King Herod the Great sentenced his second wife to death for committing adultery. Then he had her body embalmed in honey and stored for seven years where quote "his sexual desire for his mellified wife remained as strong as when she was alive."

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is one of those you don't know because King Herod the Great was like, not super popular.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So you find out later on why. You don't know what's a rumor or what's not rumor.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I just keep seeing Alice Cooper because he played King Herod in Jesus Christ Superstar.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow.

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Well there was also the psychopathic tyrant Periander of Corinth, one of the seven sages of Greece. He accidentally killed his pregnant wife when he threw a footstool at her head. He then defiled her corpse, burned his concubines alive, and sent two of his sons away to become eunuchs for reasons that are unclear.

ED LARSON

What did the concubines do?

MARCUS PARKS

Exactly. That's also unclear.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what's hard about concubines is that they have all the secrets and they're the ones that are a lot of times, the wife or queen or whatever will be in a more political position and then the concubines are actually the ones getting to know the man himself.

ED LARSON

Gotcha.

MARCUS PARKS

And it could also be some sort of weird expression of guilt. I accidentally killed my pregnant wife, now I have to get rid of my concubines and I have to... But that's the thing is that none of it actually hurts him.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

It only hurts the people around him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he's an interesting guy because he is a tyrant, which at the time was also weird because it was about taking the land away from the rich. So who knows?

MARCUS PARKS

However Greek historian Herodotus did give my personal favorite euphemism for necrophilia. Concerning the defilement of Periander of Corinth's pregnant wife's body, Herodotus wrote that quote: "Periander baked his bread in a cold oven."

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh that's good.

ED LARSON

That makes sense.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a freezer.

MARCUS PARKS

Now surprisingly, great and lowly men alike are not the only organisms to engage in necrophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow.

MARCUS PARKS

The act of having sex with the dead is quite common in the animal kingdom.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Particularly in birds.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Crows, penguins.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't trust birds.

MARCUS PARKS

Ducks.

ED LARSON

Well ducks got the corkscrew penis.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Those are the worst.

ED LARSON

Maybe it's easier for them to have sex with another dead one.

MARCUS PARKS

You just fucking put it in-

ED LARSON

Yeah and wind them up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Tick-tick-tick. I also don't know how far does a necrophiliac go? They just rubbing their bird dicks on it? Or are they really fucking whatever hole they can get at?

MARCUS PARKS

They're penetrating.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow.

MARCUS PARKS

In one nature study in the Netherlands, drake mallards were seen copulating with a dead male drake for almost 75 minutes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And we should know, I timed the whole thing. Keep going! Interesting!

ED LARSON

I was like why does he not want my bread?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh I see, he is baking his bread.

MARCUS PARKS

In a cold oven. Additionally, necrophilia is quite common amongst the marine mammals. Sea lions, sea otters, and especially the sea's worst sex offender, the dolphin.

ED LARSON

Hey man, come on. Leave them alone, all right? They're just from Miami.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They learned from watching us.

MARCUS PARKS

Now as far as why people become necrophiles, it's hard to pin it on any one factor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Because if there was one factor, I think we could nip that bud.

MARCUS PARKS

Most believe it's about control, the absence of conflict, the higher likelihood of getting away with the crime, the impossibility of rejection. There's a lot of things that go into it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The impossibility of rejection is what every pop psych, any one of these other papers I was reading, they all just say that. It's because they can't say no.

MARCUS PARKS

I think it's much more complicated than that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I do too.

MARCUS PARKS

Most fascinating however is the relationship between necrophilia and the perpetrator's sense of smell.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now I'm gonna say this is a warning right now because I know I have met several listeners over the years that do not have a sense of smell.

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

ED LARSON

I got a cousin with no sense of smell and I love farting around him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See? But the thing is that Marcus has a theory.

MARCUS PARKS

I have a theory.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He believes-

MARCUS PARKS

Well I have a theory because in general a far higher percentage of necrophiliacs suffer from a diminished sense of smell when compared to the general population.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We don't think you as a listener with no sense of smell are maybe... We don't think that you're more like able to be a necrophiliac.

ED LARSON

But you are.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You just might have been born with a certain set of skills.

MARCUS PARKS

That's not my theory at all. My theory doesn't go against the people with no sense of smell, my theory goes against the rest of humanity. Because I think this begs the question as to whether or not more people would be necrophiliacs if they didn't have the instinctual repellent reaction that's hardwired into our brains concerning decomposing flesh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What's funny is that I think that that's actually like a theist point of view of like why are we all raping everybody if god isn't there to tell us no.

MARCUS PARKS

No. I'm talking about pure biological reaction.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I feel like there's a lot more in the room besides just smell! It's a dead body.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I have had to break into a morgue. There's a dead body on the table. It's got an autopsy scar down the middle of it, it's got like shit. It's got the face, it's got the look of horror on its face because it died in it's sleep.

ED LARSON

Unless it's a freshie.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, the freshies, because then it's got a ruddiness. It's also I would say your sight affects you from having sex with corpses. I would say your emotions, it's an emotional factor. I don't think it's just like, I don't smell a dead corpse then go like yeah excellent, this one I can get at, it still smells like perfume. No, I think that there's an emotional quotient that might keep you from having sex with a corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

Perhaps.

ED LARSON

Yeah. So you have to have no sense of smell and be insane.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it helps.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but there are many insane people out there. And I also wonder if necrophilia has recently been on the uptick because of long COVID infections.

ED LARSON

No, no, no.

MARCUS PARKS

Considering how many people lost their sense of smell-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

What are you confessing to?

MARCUS PARKS

And considering the number of people who came out of their infection with a scrambled brain.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I can't wait. People saying that we have blamed necrophilia on COVID. I can't wait for the responses from the various doctors. Sidestorieslpotl@gmail.com. How do you feel about COVID causing rampant necrophilia amongst the world?

ED LARSON

Do you suffer from dong COVID?

MARCUS PARKS

Now the term 'necrophile' was coined in the year 1850 by a psychiatrist named Joseph Guislain to replace the previous charge that would sometimes be placed on those who interfered with the dead. Before people could be charged with necrophilia, they would sometimes be charged with vampirism. It was an actual crime in certain countries.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

France, England. They add it on the books. The vampirism charge brings us to our first case, that involving Sergeant François Bertrand, AKA the vampire of Montparnasse. This will also bring the first of many, many, many French necrophiles covered on today's episode.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. I will say it's a very European thing vs a lot of American necrophiles, again, we're multitaskers.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We work really hard and we never stop. We don't know how to not monetize.

MARCUS PARKS

We're also a land of freedom.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're a land of freedom here. Okay? But our necrophilia, a lot of times, big cases of necrophilia we see are tied to serial killing. Where it seems like Europe really has the no kill, like was it catch and release of necrophilia? Like way more than we do.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

It's all those extra vacation days.

MARCUS PARKS

Idle hands are indeed the devil's plaything.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Get back to work!

MARCUS PARKS

Now according to Bertrand himself, he had a strong desire to mutilate corpses from a young age but he never killed to obtain those corpses. In fact only one person that we'll cover today actually killed anybody. But what I'll also say is that the majority of our stories today also come from the 18th and 19th century. If I were to say why, I'd guess it was because fresh bodies were easier to obtain then.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure.

MARCUS PARKS

See embalming bodies didn't become common practice until it was perfected during the American Civil War when transporting the bodies of soldiers from far off locations back to their home soil came in high demand. Before then, where you died was where you were buried.

ED LARSON

So that's probably the second best thing that came from the Civil War.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Necrophilia.

ED LARSON

No, embalming bodies.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh.

MARCUS PARKS

Embalming bodies and the abolition of slavery is what he's trying to say.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Actually yes. I would say yes. This meant that fresh corpses unsullied by unnatural chemicals, seemingly the necrophile's preference, were far easier to obtain prior to the proliferation of embalming. Therefore a man like François Bertrand never had to kill anyone to obtain a fresh body. But the reason why I say that he might have killed someone if he had to was because he followed the same track that many serial killers we've covered in the past have gone down when it comes to escalating behavior.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And you will call his behavior escalating but I actually think it's pretty fucking extreme.

MARCUS PARKS

From the beginning?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. We'll get to it.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean you can start it extreme and get to like-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

More extreme.

MARCUS PARKS

Super extreme.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, Doritos. That's what they do.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

But then he plateaued for a little bit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the thing.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Then where else do we go?

MARCUS PARKS

Well starting at a young age, Bertrand would masturbate to the corpses of horses, dogs, and cats.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is what I'm saying.

MARCUS PARKS

Which I'd imagine were far more common in the mid 19th century. Dead animals everywhere.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure. It's just that, you know...

MARCUS PARKS

It's extreme.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's masturbating at a dead horse, which actually does sound like a new turn of phrase.

MARCUS PARKS

Masturbating to a dead horse, yeah. You need to stop, you're masturbating to a dead horse here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because I don't know. I mean again, I just don't understand what's so sexy about it.

ED LARSON

Yeah but is it really a problem?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Not yet.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean that's the thing, not yet.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I would say yeah. I mean if I found out that you were doing that, I'd have a hard time hiring you as an editor. Like I'd have a hard time hiring you as like anything. Anything. I wouldn't want you to deliver Instacart to me.

ED LARSON

No, no. Well at least hand sanitizer.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But right now we're at cool Ranch Doritos extreme.

ED LARSON

Sure, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

We're not to like Axe body spray extreme yet.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, not yet.

MARCUS PARKS

We're not getting up to that point.

ED LARSON

It's a gateway drug.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But in 1842, Bertrand joined the French army which allowed him more access to a variety of dead animals because he spent more time traveling. The more you walk down the road, the more dead animals you're gonna see. And I'd also imagine that regular battle produced a lot of dead horses.

ED LARSON

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

But by 1846, dead animals that Bertrand simply happened upon were no longer doing it for him. So he began to capture and mutilate living animals for masturbation purposes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You see, now we're at that-

ED LARSON

Yes, it's getting worse, you're right.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cheeseburger flavored Lays.

MARCUS PARKS

That habit however evolved again the next year when Bertrand happened upon a cemetery in the city of Douai. According to what he later told doctors, he came across some grave digging tools that had been left next to a freshly dug grave.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(French accent) What is this? Wait a second, I have an idea.

MARCUS PARKS

His head began to throb violently and his heart began to race, which would thereafter be the feeling that would precede any of his foul deeds. And before he knew it, François Bertran was shoveling dirt away from a freshly dug grave in a race to the coffin. Once he unearthed the body, he began to strike it with the shovel over and over again. And the sound of metal tearing into flesh made him quote "delirious with lust and violence" for two hours.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Shit.

MARCUS PARKS

That's a long time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I wish we could cut to our Hims commercial during this.

MARCUS PARKS

A couple of nights later, the urge came upon him again. So he returned to the cemetery in the middle of a rainstorm, heavy with atmosphere.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(French accent) Oh, this is the time for me. Yeah, very romantic.

ED LARSON

(French accent) Yes, whenever it rains, it washes your sins away.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(French accent) It washes your sins away.

MARCUS PARKS

This time however the grave diggers hadn't left their tools behind. So Bertrand dug up the first freshly buried female corpse he could find with his bare hands. Far easier when the soil was broken up with the rain.

ED LARSON

You would know.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sure.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. No, you wet the ground if you really want to do some good digging.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Have you not gotten your spring issue of Angel Lust magazine?

MARCUS PARKS

Eventually Bertrand got the lower half of the body uncovered which he repeatedly hacked out with a knife. Before long, Bertrand was digging up bodies and cutting off pieces for later masturbation purposes. And to satisfy his self described erotic compulsion, he was soon breaking into one of the most famous cemeteries on earth, one of the most beautiful places I've ever been to in my life, Père Lachaise Cemetery.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

God, you just go to those, it's just like breaking into the Louvre just to fuck a painting. You know? Just to come on a hot dog.

ED LARSON

That almost makes sense.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it does, right? But this is what I'm saying. Like it's interesting that he started with mutilations. He just would see a dead body and stab it a bunch with a knife. And then he'd get horny from that and then he'd go masturbate.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then he was just taking off chunks.

MARCUS PARKS

Started taking off chunks. But much like Ed Gein, Bertrand claimed that the grave digging was never premeditated. He would never say like I'm gonna go dig a grave on Thursday, I gotta clear up my schedule. Instead he said that when the attack got possession of him, whether it be noon or midnight, he had to go. It was in his words impossible to postpone the urge.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he was like Ryan Stiles.

MARCUS PARKS

How is he like Ryan Stiles?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

His improv?

ED LARSON

Oh improv.

MARCUS PARKS

Improv.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. He's making it up, man.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Zip zap zop.

ED LARSON

Shout out to Ryan Stiles.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, what's going on, buddy?

MARCUS PARKS

Love you, Ryan.

ED LARSON

You're great.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know if you fuck corpses. You're just Canadian.

ED LARSON

But if you did, I'd let you get away with it because you're that funny.

MARCUS PARKS

He really is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

One time.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You get one.

ED LARSON

But you get to pick it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let me be clear, I am the president of the United States, I will not be fucked by Ryan Stiles.

MARCUS PARKS

But in Père Lachaise, Bertrand dug up the corpse of a 40 year old woman, disemboweled it, and cut the entrails into quote "a thousand pieces". Every night for two weeks, Bertrand returned to Père Lachaise to dig up and mutilate bodies until he reached orgasm. Then he would rebury the body so no one would be the wiser.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm always very curious in those moments after because like when I jerk off it's like three minutes of flurry and then it's over and then it's like oh. You know? Like ugh, what have I done? Or all right, move on with my day. Like you've dug open a grave in a very fancy cemetery.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You've cut up a woman's entrails a bunch. In that, you're probably going like ah! Yes, yes, yes! And then you're jerking off and then you go (grunting in French). He comes. And then you're just like well... Is that it? What do you do for that day?

MARCUS PARKS

You put the dirt back on the grave.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

All right. Well François, you did it again. Like is it just that?

ED LARSON

It's like when a kid plays with their toys too much and then you gotta make them put it away as a lesson.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. True.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just like that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, just like that. No, he was unrepentant to the end.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's like ah yes!

MARCUS PARKS

But no, I would imagine he would see it as the same as you feel after a good meal. Nice full belly and then...

ED LARSON

Take a nap.

MARCUS PARKS

Take a nap.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You get all tuckered out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh wow, yeah. Makes sense.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Finally though, Bertrand's reign at Père Lachaise came to an end when he drank too much and fell asleep at the cemetery. A guard discovered him and took a shot with his pistol but Bertrand was able to escape. That place is kind of off limits after that. Now by the next year, Bertrand became overwhelmed with the desire to actually have sex with a corpse, which was an urge that he had thus far withstood. And so he began digging up women of all ages, from old ladies all the way down to toddlers. But it must be said that after Bertrand dug up a three year old, he realized that he did indeed have a line. So he reburied the corpse without defiling it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(French accent) You know what? Honestly right now, this is gross. I did not see until now but this is gross. Coming for you, Brenda!

MARCUS PARKS

Now from August to November in the year 1848, Bertrand disinterred and defiled 15 corpses. When he couldn't find the fresh corpse of a woman though, he'd dig up a man instead, only to angrily slash and stab at the body without masturbating.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Seems like he's more of a digger than anything.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I just don't understand. They got tombstones.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They tell you what's in them.

MARCUS PARKS

But it's gotta be a fresh one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. You gotta look around, you gotta see the dirt mound.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And sometimes they won't have the tombstone if it's fresh honestly because sometimes they're carving it and then they drop it in later on.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, absolutely. But much like a serial killer, Bertrand's methods became more brutal and experimental as time went on. He began splitting the mouths of corpses, cutting their bodies into ribbons, pulling the limbs out of the sockets, and twisting the bodies into grotesque shapes in an attempt to thoroughly destroy the cadaver. Finally though, Bertrand's frequent visits to the cemetery got noticed. And in March of 1849, after three years of digging up corpses, authorities set up a trap at Montparnasse Cemetery to ensnare their mysterious ghouls.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just a fucking freshly filled in grave but just a butt hanging out of the top of it. Like how they bury their dead in Poland because they have a place to park their bikes.

ED LARSON

Yes. Very nice.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Sergeant François Bertrand was shot and taken to the hospital where he confessed everything. He was quickly charged and found guilty of vampirism which soon after came to be known as necrophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wasn't this the case that got it to be known as necrophilia?

MARCUS PARKS

I believe so. Although I don't know if the dates match up because I think it was, I have to look, 1848. Yes it was. It was absolutely the one that they looked at like (French accent) we gotta call this something else.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is something else.

ED LARSON

His last words were (French accent) if I die, please fuck me.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That would be incredible. Use my mouth.

MARCUS PARKS

He was jailed for one year and became a lighthouse keeper after his release.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly that is perfect.

ED LARSON

That is the job.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

That is the job.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Perfect for him.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Now several psychiatrists and criminologists have worked for years to help classify necrophilia. Although admittedly, as you said, it's about a paper a decade.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's about a paper a decade. It doesn't generate a lot of like research funding.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But Anil Aggrawal, author of the necrophilia textbook, aggregated all the studies available to create an in depth, 10 level classification system.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

God, we just need to teach our necrophilia class.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Set it up.

ED LARSON

Imagine having to tell your children what your book was about.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hey, Brian. Do you know that there is 10 different ways to fuck a corpse?

MARCUS PARKS

Eventually I'm gonna have to do that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, you will.

MARCUS PARKS

I wrote a fucking disgusting book.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

It's absolutely foul.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's awesome.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I can't wait. No, all of our friends who have kids, they're gonna listen to everything we've ever said.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I'll tell 'em.

MARCUS PARKS

Cool, great.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Let Uncle Eddie sit you down.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. No, I think my brother actually hides his copy of our book in a special secret place so his children can't see it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That was the goal.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, exactly. Aggrawal however makes an important distinction between genuine necrophilia and pseudo necrophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

For posers.

MARCUS PARKS

Pseudo necrophiles-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That is an actual technical term, pseudo necrophilia.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Pseudo necrophiles have a transient attraction to a corpse but are not actually attracted to the corpse itself.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Oh, you fuck corpses? Name three.

MARCUS PARKS

Instead they like their partner to merely pretend they're dead, which brings us to the class one necrophile: role players.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Barely make it to the fucking classification.

ED LARSON

Yeah, this is fine.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but that's why they're class one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. It's weird.

ED LARSON

They're responsible about it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well do you ever do that thing... I do that with Natalie sometimes where I pretend to be dead until she gets scared and mad.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. I do that. But if she got horny and jumped on me, I mean again I'd take it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But afterwards we'd talk.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

You'd have a frank conversation about what's happening.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But it'd probably be more like so if I just do this, I get laid every time?

MARCUS PARKS

Anytime.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Like well...

MARCUS PARKS

Are you gonna make that trade?

ED LARSON

It's kind of romantic though, get one more in before you get all soupy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I say this to Natalie all the time. I'll pretend to be dead, I was like just play with my balls one last time. She gets all upset.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

God. You know, goddamnit.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

These fucking women. I don't fucking understand anything.

MARCUS PARKS

Well these people will ask their partners to play dead by painting their face to look like a corpse-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a lot.

MARCUS PARKS

Or cover themselves in a plastic sheet while wearing a toe tag. Or they ask them to take baths in ice water prior to sex to give themselves that old fashioned corpse coldness.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Others have what's known as the Sleeping Beauty fantasy in which sex brings the quote unquote "dead lover" back to life.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's the original story of Sleeping Beauty. She got railed while she was asleep and then she was pregnant while she was asleep and then she popped open when she fucking...

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. This is also discussed in the song the Monster Mash to a certain extent, wherein the narrator's monster is brought back to life through the soul power of the mash.

ED LARSON

Yeah, through mashing it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But again-

MARCUS PARKS

When suddenly to my surprise-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He did the mash. But the Monster Mash, again, we have to remind our audience is no the monster mash, it is a song about the monster mash. In the song they don't know, they talk about the monster mash but the song itself is not the monster mash.

MARCUS PARKS

It's titled the Monster Mash.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, it's about the monster mash.

ED LARSON

Now what about when Frankenstein's monster fucks the bride of Frankenstein, how would you classify that? Cause they're both dead.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's love. He was gay. Frankenstein's monster was gay, they actually never touched. He wasn't into it.

ED LARSON

Oh really?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You remember the scene?

ED LARSON

I've never seen it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Honestly Bride of Frankenstein is one of my favorite horror movies of all time.

MARCUS PARKS

It's a great movie.

ED LARSON

Really?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's great.

MARCUS PARKS

No, it's fantastic.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But Frankenstein's monster had more of a tender emotional maybe physical connection with the blind man that he met.

ED LARSON

Okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The blind man who fed him. There's a lot of talk about how that was a gay love scene, they were having sex in that scene. Bride of Frankenstein never wanted to have anything to do with Frankenstein's monster. She was just born mad like a lot of ladies.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

So this class one fetish isn't always harmless, nor is it always practiced by harmless people. The worst example is Joseph Fritzl.

ED LARSON

Fretzel's pretzels.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, Fretzel's pretzels.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what? That company loves that. They love that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Fritzl was the guy who held his daughter captive for 24 years and produced seven children with her.

ED LARSON

I remember.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, you remember. You remember. Fritzl is technically a class one necrophile because he would hire sex workers to pretend they were dead during the transaction. But while class one necrophiles are all about sex, class two necrophiles are defined by their emotional attachments. These are the so-called romantic necrophiles, also known as necromaniacs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's cool. (metal guitar riff)

ED LARSON

Hell yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

These people can't bear separation from their loved ones and often refuse to accept that their wife or lover is actually dead. Sometimes these people will clothe the corpse of their loved one, move them from room to room throughout the day, and prop them up for normal activities like eating dinner or watching TV. Interestingly though, romantic necrophiles rarely have sex with the corpses they keep.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Probably because the actual sexual act will more so remind you that the person is dead.

MARCUS PARKS

It'll dispel the fantasy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Where I think this is the one, if there's one of these I vaguely understand-

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's this concept of you don't want to let them go. And so you just kind of try to press on like everything's normal by dressing up a corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

This is Mary Jane's Last Dance, right?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Which Tom Petty was a gravedigger, by the way.

MARCUS PARKS

Was he?

ED LARSON

Yeah. Before he was... In Gainesville he was a gravedigger.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh really? Wasn't there someone else who was a gravedigger? Wasn't like Danny Devito or like some famous actor? Harrison Ford might have been.

MARCUS PARKS

Harrison Ford was a carpenter.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Was it Kevin Bacon?

ED LARSON

No.

MARCUS PARKS

Too handsome.

ED LARSON

He's too nice. Yeah, he's too tiny.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he's small. Yeah, you gotta have long arms.

ED LARSON

Yeah. It's gotta be like John Candy or something.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jon Stewart was a grave digger.

MARCUS PARKS

Rod Stewart.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Rod Stewart!

MARCUS PARKS

And he's tiny.

ED LARSON

Yeah, he is tiny.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He looks like a grandmother now.

MARCUS PARKS

He does. But have you seen his new little shuffle dance?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Still has one of the best voices in rock 'n' roll. Go listen to some early Faces stuff.

ED LARSON

Oh my god, and Jeff Beck.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't like it.

ED LARSON

It's great!

MARCUS PARKS

Rod Stewart's very... He's not just If You Think I'm Sexy, there's a lot more to Rod Stewart.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I like John Fogerty better.

ED LARSON

Ugh. He's got a very Robert Plant voice.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Yeah, well he does have a very...

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Kind of like he was ripping him off.

MARCUS PARKS

I'll talk to you later about Terry Reid, he's the missing link between all this. It's fantastic, you're gonna lose your mind when you listen to this guy.

ED LARSON

Hell yeah, I love it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Born on the bayou!

ED LARSON

The midnight special is when you fuck a corpse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. That's when you order it from Instacart.

MARCUS PARKS

One of the more interesting examples of a romantic necrophile is an eccentric British aristocrat named Sir John Pryce who hails from the mid 18th century. After his first wife died, his cousin by the way, he had her embalmed and kept her in his bed even after he remarried. See while the first wife was of aristocratic stock, the second was a local farmer's daughter who was kept a secret from the rest of the aristocracy. The power imbalance meant that wife number two had to put up with the dead body of wife number one while sleeping and having sex in her marital bed.

ED LARSON

You said none of these guys were charming.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Hey there Mary, you are disturbing Beryl. You're disturbing her. Keep your knees close to me when you're riding me.

MARCUS PARKS

But when the second wife died, some say of shame, Sir Pryce embalmed her as well and he slept between the two corpses, or should I say betwixt.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now that's a lot. I got two dogs and a wife in the bed and I'm already clinging to one side, the very corner of it. I can't imagine having two dead women in there.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow. Well I would imagine two dogs equals one dead woman.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm talking volume-wise.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This episode really shows the very small but gulf, there are gulfs inbetween us.

ED LARSON

Imagine a dog just running off with your ex-wife's foot.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I could see it.

MARCUS PARKS

But when Sir John Pryce married his third wife, she insisted that he remove the corpses before she would agree to marry him.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

One source says he refused and she reported him for his crimes. But another that is backed up by documentation says that he agreed to get rid of the bodies. He did not however let go of wife number three when she died as well.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh she knew that was coming.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well I mean this is different though.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because then it's kind of out of jealousy.

MARCUS PARKS

It's a little bit different what he did with his third wife. Well what do you mean a little... She wanted him to get rid of the corpses out of jealousy?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Do you think it's out of jealousy?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You love these corpses so much, why didn't you marry them? Oh you did and they died? Well it's fucking over.

ED LARSON

When she married him, he had the corpses in his bed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, she knew. Yeah, I guess that's what it is. She knew.

ED LARSON

She knew what was up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But that's the thing, never get into a relationship with somebody expecting to change them.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

That's right.

ED LARSON

Also is no one talking about this guy is probably killing his wives?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no.

MARCUS PARKS

This is the 1700s, mid 1700s. People just died.

ED LARSON

Oh yeah, people just died willy nilly.

MARCUS PARKS

It's not uncommon for a man to have three dead wives.

ED LARSON

Yeah, you sprain your ankle, you die.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when this third wife died, Sir Pryce wrote a letter to a well-known faith healer named Bridget Bostock, AKA the Cheshire Pythoness. He invited her to his estate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I wouldn't invite her. Your name's the Cheshire Pythoness.

MARCUS PARKS

Cheshire Pythoness.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know if I want you in my home.

ED LARSON

Yeah, it's like the Cheshire cat but like a giant snake.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A giant snake.

ED LARSON

That's fucking awesome.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's really cool.

MARCUS PARKS

He invited her to his estate for the purpose of resurrecting his third wife. This was of course unsuccessful. And Sir Pryce finally died himself in 1761.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Slap her pussy again!

MARCUS PARKS

This inability to let go however is not limited to men. And make of this what you will, but class two necrophiles are the group that contains the highest percentage of women amongst their ranks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because the romantic contingent.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. As a way to I suppose never be apart from their deceased husbands, two women in the 18th century, one French and one Belgian, cut off the penises of their dead husbands and carried the phalluses around as treasured relics in expensive cases. The Belgian chose a silver case, while the French chose gold.

ED LARSON

I'm putting this in my will.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, honestly though. But like that's a lot of love for a cock. And when it comes to husband cock, it's not always the biggest and best cock you ever had.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But it's hopefully the last.

MARCUS PARKS

It's the most loving cock.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's the one that's attached to the guy that you're into.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah. It's the cock of love.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Because I don't want to know the old ones.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, I'm not asking about those.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No.

ED LARSON

(singing) Cock of love makes you feel good!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Another example is the case of Joanna of Castile, AKA Joanna The Mad, who is interestingly the older sister of Henry VIII's first wife, Catherine of Aragon.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow, that is interesting!

MARCUS PARKS

It's incredibly interesting. She's a massive character in British history.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow!

MARCUS PARKS

And this is her older sister.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Holy shit!

MARCUS PARKS

It's fascinating no matter what you say. Joanna The Mad's husband, Philip The Handsome, died of typhus at the age of 28 in 1506. Instead of burying him though, she kept the body for a year, pretending he was merely asleep in his casket. She would talk to him as though he were alive, complimenting him on said handsomeness while forcing her servants to treat him as if he was a living being.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It says Joanna The Mad but it's more like Joanna The Extremely Traumatized.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Now while class two necrophiles are all about emotional connection, class three necrophiles, necrophilic fantasizers, are where we get back to purely sexual motivations.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just the interviews this author had to do and to sit and talk about all this. Like did you fuck it? How deep? Did you use your fingers? You use your mouth? You use your penis?

MARCUS PARKS

No, you get a questionnaire and you have them fill it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

These necrophiles will masturbate to pictures of dead bodies and sometimes even manage to masturbate at funerals. They are however the necrophile most likely to escalate.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Because to be honest this sounds like this is just a baby necrophile.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, this is the first towards becoming a true necrophile.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I do wanna pay several people to jerk off at my funeral. Cause they're just so sad that they wanna get one last go in.

ED LARSON

Yeah. We gotta get a lawyer in here and do our wills on day.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. I've been thinking about that a long time about doing a long form series where we have a lawyer make up all of our wills for each other.

ED LARSON

That's a great way to do it for free or at least have the business pay for it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, business expense.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Wow, you're thinking like a businessman nowadays.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Especially when it comes to our eventual deaths.

MARCUS PARKS

Well one interesting case that stayed in fantasy land involved a necrophilic blind man whose desire to kill a woman to obtain a corpse only grew as he aged. But that desire was stymied by the obvious obstacles that prevented him from doing so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's why I feel like it's nice now because it's probably much more able for a blind man to kill a woman and have sex with her corpse.

ED LARSON

Yeah. You can't play Marco Polo with a corpse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Also with your stick, you don't know where she is because you need the stick for her to go like ow.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah. Although this may fly in the face of my smell theory.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Literally.

ED LARSON

People who lose one sense could lose another.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, like Daredevil. It's like you lost the power of sight, now all he wants to do is fuck corpses. And save New York. And be Catholic.

ED LARSON

And a lawyer.

MARCUS PARKS

Well this blind man's fantasies mostly revolved around breasts and included sucking quote "cream" from breasts and biting breasts open to find a quote "unlimited flow of creamy milk". His necrophilic fantasies were even more bizarre, involving a baby suckling at a dead woman's breast that would burst open and swallow the child.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Marcus, do you want cranberry sauce? Your grandmother made this delicious gravy. We just love that you're in town.

MARCUS PARKS

You know what this gravy reminds me of?

ED LARSON

We were so close to like losing the thought of this man from earth until you just brought it up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he almost faded into obscurity.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like he almost finally just left. Because that's when you actually die, when no one remembers your name anymore.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And now this man is going to live until the fucking solar flare wipes out the internet. Strangely though, because this blind man could never hope to kill a woman or even obtain a corpse for himself, he began fantasizing about a more realistic goal.

ED LARSON

Oh good.

MARCUS PARKS

Instead of a human, he began to fantasize about killing and/or obtaining the corpse of a horse. Horses show up a lot.

ED LARSON

Yeah, it's weird. Why not sheep?

MARCUS PARKS

I think horses because there's more meat.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think it's because they're bigger.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, they're bigger.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I guess. And they got huge... I mean he likes women. I guess they had huge tits when they have milk?

MARCUS PARKS

There's also dead horses like fucking everywhere in the olden times.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. So I guess it's just lowering the bar.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's like when you stay at the bar until 4 AM and it's whoever's there.

MARCUS PARKS

And at the end it's a fucking horse corpse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

A horse walks into a bar, he dies and gets fucked by a blind man. That's the end of the joke.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Where did I get this joke book? Dad, I found this in your room.

ED LARSON

Bartender says why the long dick?

MARCUS PARKS

But logically if we're making small steps here, the next thing to do after fantasizing about fucking a corpse is to actually touch a corpse. Which brings us to class four, the tactile necrophile These necrophiles touch, stroke, or lick dead bodies to obtain full release but never go further than that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I would never fuck a corpse. I just pick its nose. I play with it's tits a little bit, yeah sure. But I would never fuck it.

MARCUS PARKS

You just touch it, you stroke it. This is where you find your mortuary attendants, your EMTs, your volunteer firefighters.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is where you always find them. It's where we find our brave volunteer firefighters.

MARCUS PARKS

Well it's basically anyone who's in fleeting proximity to dead bodies. That's where we get, we were talking earlier about the EMTs but they're only in the presence of a dead body for a short period of time. So that's where you get the touch touch and so on and so forth.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Then you throw them in the van, shut the door, and shut the blinds.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes. That does happen.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Quite unfortunate but it does happen. Remember that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know, I'm dead. Who cares? We'll talk about that.

MARCUS PARKS

But some tactile necrophiles actually believe that since they go no further than touch, they're really not doing any harm at all and they should be accepted for their desires.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. Answer is no.

MARCUS PARKS

Answer is no, it's a hard no across the board. A hard no.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Again, we'll talk about this when we do our wills. Must be written in documentation of go ahead, fuck that corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Or touch that corpse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, you could touch my dick and balls if that's what you want.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I mean if you go to a funeral, technically anybody who goes to the funeral can touch the corpse. I mean it might be frowned upon if you're a stranger but you can touch any corpse you want.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

There's no law against touching a corpse at a funeral.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're one of those guys who was like can I or may I? Oh I can do it.

ED LARSON

You should be asking should, should I?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Again, it depends on the funeral.

MARCUS PARKS

But while tactile necrophiles are aplenty in professional situations, including medical students who get erections while dissecting cadavers, some are regular joes who have to get their kicks at, as I said, funerals. One man who went by the initials W. R. to maintain anonymity said that he would follow obituaries, get dressed up in his Sunday best, and attend funerals where he might be able to see a dead body and maybe get in a touch or two so he could masturbate to the memory.

ED LARSON

You know they must have had armed guards around Anna Nicole Smith's body.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, man. Just guys going like huh, like it's the defensive line. You just see them being like hey one! Hey one! Can't jump the line in scrimmage.

MARCUS PARKS

But while W. R. did claim that he would never engage in necrocoitus because he knew it was wrong-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He did admit after much prodding that he did fantasize about killing if the funerals in town were running a bit low that month.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See this is the problem. Again, dress somebody up, put them in a bunch of ice, play with them like they're a corpse but they're alive and everybody's agreeing on it. You know?

MARCUS PARKS

It's hard to get someone to agree to that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Sex dolls, wouldn't they be like a good substitute?

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

God, there was a whole spread on it in the Christmas issue last year of Angel Lust Magazine. But it's because they're not filled with blood and cum and shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Well it's not real.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Because part of it is is the transgression.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Of course. That's what makes it a paraphilia, right?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

What about taxidermy? Like a taxidermied person with a fleshlight in them?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's actually extremely difficult to get that going though.

MARCUS PARKS

Well we'll get to that later.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

It's illegal to taxidermy a person.

ED LARSON

Ugh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yep.

MARCUS PARKS

I know.

ED LARSON

But it's still legal to fuck them in ten states.

MARCUS PARKS

Technically.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's just another way, man. Another way that our freedoms are held down.

MARCUS PARKS

Well on the more extreme side of things when it comes to tactile necrophiles was a 30 year old sales clerk who went by the initial D. His thing was fellating corpses. Now there was something about abnormal fellation with this guy because before corpses he would fellate bulls or so he claimed. Now that's actually more of a stretch than anything for me personally.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Because I know from experience that bulls are quite a handful even when you're not trying to fellate them. He may however have had access to tame bulls and might not have minded the activity. That's the only way this would have worked.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

At some point if you're getting your dick sucked across the animal kingdom, you begin to calm down.

MARCUS PARKS

But that's the thing, you gotta get close. The bull doesn't know you're going in to fellate it. And also most animals don't have sex for pleasure. So to him it's nothing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

How big was his mouth?

MARCUS PARKS

Well a bull cock is not that...

ED LARSON

It's not as big as you think it is?

MARCUS PARKS

It's not as big as you think it is, it's not like a horse cock.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, man.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. This is the reason why we say horse cock instead of bull cock.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Or donkey dick.

MARCUS PARKS

Donkey dick, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well bull cock sounds gross.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, bull cock sounds real awful, yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Horse cock, sign me up.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah but cow dick?

ED LARSON

Weird.

MARCUS PARKS

Ugh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cow dick is what you call a guy who's like fucking animals.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm an old fashioned cow dick.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Horse cock is my Uncle Kevin.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah?

ED LARSON

Bullshit.

MARCUS PARKS

Not a man in your family. Not a man in your family!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, we are Irish-Scottish.

MARCUS PARKS

But when it came to corpses, D initially had a fear of dead bodies until someone suggested that he could cure his fear through immersion therapy, ie touching a corpse. That however kicked off a whole new avenue of fellatio for our young subject.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Can you even believe how many different ways I can suck dick?

MARCUS PARKS

Well after realizing that fellating corpses was his thing, he started hanging around a mortuary so he could slowly gain the trust of the undertaker. I feel bad for the undertaker. Once he made friends, this guy got access and he regularly began putting the floppy members of dead men into his mouth until he was finally caught and sentenced to three years in prison.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I must tell you, D, I have never met anyone else so enthusiastic about the science of the dead. And I... Oh my god D, you're just sucking their dicks? I told you to do their makeup and put metal rods in their spine! All right.

MARCUS PARKS

This is a corkscrew you must put it into the anus to keep all of the fluids from leaking and upsetting the family.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh you're sucking its dick? That's disgusting!

MARCUS PARKS

I feel so bad for him. The undertaker just thought he made a friend.

ED LARSON

It's so hard for undertakers to make friends.

MARCUS PARKS

I imagine so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah because everywhere you go doors open without you touching them and then there's always organ music playing.

MARCUS PARKS

Now if you doubted my earlier statement that necrophilia is far more complicated and nuanced than what we've been led to believe, keep in mind that we're about to talk about the fifth class of necrophiles and we still haven't even gotten to penetrative of sex.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, we're at the G of the ROYGBIV of the rainbow of necrophile.

MARCUS PARKS

Class fives are the fetishistic necrophiles, although the definition of fetish in this case is not its most popular usage. Instead this is a fetish as an object.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Specifically a body part that has been removed from a corpse for sexual purposes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. So they just like the little chunks. That's what the other guy was slowly graduating through.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep. These necrophiles will cut off fingers, breasts, or they pop out an eyeball for later usage. Some of them even go as far they shave and they save a corpse's pubic hair.

ED LARSON

That should be allowed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wait a second, someone made grandma look sexy?

MARCUS PARKS

It is however important to keep in mind that in order to be a class five, the corpse has to be already dead from something other than a necrophile's own hand when the necrophile mutilates it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because then it's just mutilating a corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

Jerry Brudos for example shoots right past class five because even though he did remove breasts and keep them as fetish objects, he killed the women whose breasts he removed.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. This is not farm to table.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is you're going to the store.

MARCUS PARKS

This is foraging.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is foraging.

ED LARSON

Harm to table.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Thank you.

MARCUS PARKS

But the most interesting fetishistic necrophile is a man who yes, did have sex with corpses, but did not choose body parts for his fetish object. Instead Jean Baptiste of Salt Lake City collected burial clothes from the corpses that he'd already buried once in the course of his job as the local grave digger. Now the evidence for Jean Baptiste being a penetrative necrophile is circumstantial but one can extrapolate from how his fetish was discovered that he probably did engage in sexual intercourse with at least one corpse before he was caught.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

See for about three years in the late 19th century, Jean Baptiste was a devout Mormon. He'd been recruited by missionaries in Australia and had been brought to America on an LDS immigration ship. Mormons used to do that all the time. They'd go out to Australia, England, wherever, they'd get a bunch of people together like hey, you want to go to America? Great. You can do it for free. You just gotta become a Mormon and go to this place called Utah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cause I remember they did that big time in the UK.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. The UK was big but they also apparently did it in Australia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Once arrived and established in Salt Lake City, Jean Baptiste became acting choir leader for his ward and he moved into a small house near the cemetery after he was hired as a grave digger.

ED LARSON

And then he eventually graduated from working for Stephen Colbert.

MARCUS PARKS

But this also put him closer to the objects of his affection. Now Jean Baptiste's fetish might have remained a secret forever had it not been for a criminal with the ridiculous name of Moroni Clawson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Man, that's a big pressure to be named Moroni.

MARCUS PARKS

That's big Mormon energy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. It's like being named Jesus Christ Sullivan.

ED LARSON

Or I'm An Idiot. Moron-I?

MARCUS PARKS

Do you know about Moroni?

ED LARSON

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he's the guy that delivered Mormonism to Joseph Smith.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he he's the guy that brought the golden plates to Joseph Smith. He's a major, major figure in Mormonism.

ED LARSON

Okay, cool.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he's like the second Jesus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's a ghost.

MARCUS PARKS

Number two behind Jesus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's not real.

ED LARSON

Oh he's not real.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no.

MARCUS PARKS

No, no, no. He's not. In 1862, Moroni and another man were accused of beating up the governor of Utah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's awesome. Wow. You could get to him back then.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, you really could. And Moroni was shot and killed by police in the ensuing chase. But since nobody came forward in Salt Lake City to give Moroni a proper burial, the policeman who I assume was responsible for Moroni's death, an officer named Heath, agreed to pay for both the burial and a new suit for Moroni to take to the afterlife.

ED LARSON

A gentleman.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

That's generous.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're very generous.

MARCUS PARKS

Very Mormon thing to do, I would say.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Not long after though, Moroni Clawson's family in Draper, Utah got word of his death and they requested that the body be exhumed and move to their family plot. Once the casket was unearthed however, Clawson's found saw that not only was Moroni completely naked but he was also facing down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh. Yep.

ED LARSON

Take the time to flip him over.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just put the clothes back on.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I mean I would imagine with this one, well the clothes-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's down there, you know?

MARCUS PARKS

Well the clothes are all a part of it. But I'd imagine with this one, this was probably a let's get it covered up, let me get my shame covered up as fast as possible. I don't wanna spend anymore-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh once he came.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, once he came.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then he was like oh no.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah. Moroni's brother then went to complain to Officer Heath whom he knew was responsible for the burial. And Heath was puzzled because he knew that Moroni had been buried in a suit that Heath had paid for himself.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And I knew it was a special occasion so I went down to the store and I got him a birthday suit. I don't understand.

MARCUS PARKS

So Heath and Moroni Clawson's brother went to the local grave digger's home to see what was what. That grave digger was of course Jean Baptiste.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I have no idea what happened to his clothes! He's like wearing all of his clothes. I have no idea!

MARCUS PARKS

Now Jean was out digging a grave when the police arrived. But while questioning Jean's wife, Officer Heath noticed that there was a conspicuous amount of boxes containing soiled clothing stacked about the Baptiste living room. Upon closer examination, it became obvious that these were the clothes of the dead.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It sounds like he just became a very, very gothic version of a reseller.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well no, it's more of a hoarder.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, gothic hoarder. After counting the pieces of clothing, it was surmised that Jean Baptiste had robbed over 300 graves of their clothing. Now there were no court records or newspaper articles concerning Jean Baptiste's punishment but this was Salt Lake City during the reign of Brigham Young. And Young actually spoke about the Baptiste case during a sermon that was written down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jesus Christ. I do think he's more mad about the stealing.

MARCUS PARKS

Well it was big news in Salt Lake City.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Like this was a big, big deal.

ED LARSON

It's crazy how it's bigger than fighting the governor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They beat up the governor.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Apparently the people of Salt Lake City wanted to hang Baptiste. But Young said that this would be too easy of a punishment.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And life in prison would likewise quote "do nobody any good". So Young decided that the best punishment for Baptiste would be exiled to a small island on the Great Salt Lake where he would either survive or die.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They just left him on an island?

MARCUS PARKS

They exiled him like he was fucking Napoleon.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just sitting on that island. But is that it? With a tent and shit? There was a house?

MARCUS PARKS

They just put him out there and said survive or die. But the problem with this punishment is that Fremont Island was being used by a family to graze their cows.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's not the middle of the Pacific, it's the middle of Utah.

ED LARSON

Yeah but it's giant. Salt Lake is huge.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's huge.

MARCUS PARKS

Massive, yeah.

ED LARSON

It's huge. And you need freshwater to live.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But there was freshwater there, there was a small shack on the island stocked with basic provisions. Therefore within six weeks, Jean Baptiste, living off of these provisions, he dismantled the shack and used the height of a heifer that he'd killed to build a raft.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I gotta get back to these corpses! They're not gonna fuck themselves.

MARCUS PARKS

That raft then took Baptiste off Fremont Island. And while some claim that his skeleton was found the next year near the mouth of the Jordan River, Officer Heath had it on good authority that Baptiste had made his way to a mining camp in Montana, where he'd been heard bragging about his escape to the locals. Although I do not know if he was bragging about why he was sent to the island.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think it's one of those where if you're in jail and you pull your card, you just go well you know, things got complicated.

ED LARSON

It's the prequel to Cast Away.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is.

MARCUS PARKS

Different Wilson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's a severed fucking butt.

MARCUS PARKS

This is Mr. Wilson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

My father's Mr. Wilson.

MARCUS PARKS

Now as we progress along the necrophile classes, the bloodier the necrophiles are going to become. That's brings us to class six, the one with the coolest fucking name. That's where we find our necro-mutilo maniacs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(metal guitar riff)

MARCUS PARKS

(metal bassline) This is exactly what it sounds like. I gotta work on my metal bassline.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

(beat boxing)

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(beat boxing)

MARCUS PARKS

No, that's funk.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's funk.

MARCUS PARKS

This is exactly what it's like.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It needs rumble. I just think of Jason Newsted.

MARCUS PARKS

Well that's the thing is that most metal bands, the bass is turned pretty far down.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually like when metal has more bass more pronounced.

MARCUS PARKS

I like the more pronounced bass as well. Oh yeah, there's this band that does awesome lofi stuff, they're called Poison Ruïn, they got this album called Härvest, it's so fucking good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm gonna look it up.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, anybody out there that's in Poison Ruïn that listens to this show, get a hold of us. I fucking love what you do.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Fuck yeah!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well necro-mutilo maniacs are exactly what they sound like. And while they are disturbing and violent, they again only commit these acts on cadavers that have died from some means other than murder at the necro-mutilo maniac's hand.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're doing good with the word.

MARCUS PARKS

Thank you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Necro-mutilo maniac.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean it rolls off the tongue.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It does.

MARCUS PARKS

Well what you gotta do is you gotta make a little song of it like necro-mutilo maniac, necro- mutilo maniac. I did that for quite a long time yesterday.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Marcus, you want some pumpkin pie?

MARCUS PARKS

Necro-mutilo maniac.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We just love you're successful in Los Angeles.

ED LARSON

Domo arigato, necro-mutilo maniac.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. (singing) Domo arigato, necro-mutilo. I can't do it.

MARCUS PARKS

Well the worst of these that I read about was again in France. There, a young man discovered the dead body of his mother after her sudden death. Almost immediately he had sexual intercourse with the body, then pushed his arm deep inside through the vagina. He broke through to her abdominal cavity where he grabbed onto a handful of intestines and pulled out 2 meters worth.

ED LARSON

It's a lawnmower, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

He then went back in and grabbed the liver amongst other various organs and parts.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Or you're not gonna wanna forget the liver.

MARCUS PARKS

After this blood orgy of destruction, the subject then got a bit tuckered out and he fell asleep wrapped in his mother's intestines. When he woke up, he was quite stupefied in his words over what he done. And while he was examined by a doctor, he was never charged with a crime nor was he ever confined to an asylum.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They just were like all right, you can't do this again.

MARCUS PARKS

I only got one mother! How am I gonna do this again, I only got one mother.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, what am I gonna do? What do you want?

ED LARSON

Now do you think he loved her too much or not at all?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Too much.

MARCUS PARKS

I'd say too much, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

If you're falling asleep wrapped in your mother's intestines.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, you're gonna have some Ed Gein vibes.

ED LARSON

That's why they gave him a pass.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I think so. They'd be like well he loves his mother.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I think the memory, they figured like maybe the memory of what he's done is gonna be bad enough. You gotta live with that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Take some pictures. So he sees kind of what you're looking like right now.

MARCUS PARKS

Now this guy is absolutely a class six but he could also be put into class seven, that of the opportunistic necrophile. These are people who like having sex with the living but would absolutely have sex with a corpse if given the chance. These are your world class perverts.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

This is the anything goes group.

ED LARSON

The Duchovnys.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. David Duchovny. The David Duchovny of necrophiliacs.

MARCUS PARKS

And this includes who else but disgraced UK media personality and all around monster, Sir Jimmy Savile.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now we've been begged many times to do a series on Jimmy Savile.

MARCUS PARKS

And I think that's gonna be a case of be careful what you wish for.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

One day I do want to do it but it is rough.

MARCUS PARKS

It's real rough.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And for those of you who don't know, because Eddie didn't know who Jimmy Savile was before the show-

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It is important to know, remember Jimmy Savile was an extremely popular media personality in the UK up until his death in 2011.

MARCUS PARKS

A cultural institution.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, he was huge. He had a show called Jimmy Will Fix it.

MARCUS PARKS

Jim'll Fix It.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Jim'll Fix It where kids would come on and they'd have some extravagant wish and he'd make it real. He also was deeply involved in the UK's government, he had all of these various charitable associations. He was everywhere. And then it turned out he was an absolutely rampant sadistic pedophile.

MARCUS PARKS

Every single thing that he did was all feeding into his sexual deviancy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Everything.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But now what we now have discovered all of these fun cheeky ass jokes that he made about all of these things that he did, now you kind of re-look at stuff and you're like oh he might have been absolutely serious.

MARCUS PARKS

Well he was hiding in plain sight the entire time. He was absolutely serious. But that's the thing is that people still knew. I mean hell, back in like I think it was like 1978-79-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Johnny Rotten went on the BBC and said like you guys know Jimmy Savile is like a horrific monster, right? He's a pedophile. He got banned from the BBC for years for that.

ED LARSON

Crazy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was important. He knew the fucking queen.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he was a sir.

ED LARSON

That's our second knight on this.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, oh yeah.

ED LARSON

We're dogging the French but this is our second knight.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what I'm saying, man. Europe has got some tastes, man.

MARCUS PARKS

Well Savile told hospital staff at Broadmoor Hospital where he quote unquote "volunteered", and this is an example of him just saying shit and people only later realizing like oh he was being serious.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Or he might have been, I mean who knows? But he was definitely under the guise that he was joking, he's joking, he's a funny guy.

MARCUS PARKS

He told them that he posed with corpses in lewd positions, took selfies with them, and stole their jewelry. He also had a really horrific Christmas song called Jingle Jangle Jewelry.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what we were doing at the top.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, that's what we were doing at the top.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Come and suck me clinkers.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, come and suck me clinkers.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Choke your chicken up me charlie-hole.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Lovely, lovely jingle jangle jewelry. Time to chuck your muck over your sister's jubblies.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, chucking your muck I think is-

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Cumming.

MARCUS PARKS

It's the worst euphemism for cumming that I've ever heard in my life.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, on your sister's tits? Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's real bad. Christmas song.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's cold out.

MARCUS PARKS

Gimme some nice warm goo! Come on.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See Savile was friends with the chief mortician at the Leeds General Infirmary Mortuary. And that mortician gave Savile unsupervised access to the dead for 20 years.

ED LARSON

Oh my god.

MARCUS PARKS

One nurse claimed that Savile would sometimes perform oral sex on corpses, an act that Savile disgustingly called gamaroosh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So he sucked enough corpse dick to have a nickname for it.

MARCUS PARKS

No, he just called oral sex in general gamaroosh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh!

ED LARSON

You think he was sucking dick or eating them out?

MARCUS PARKS

He was eating them out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was eating pussy, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, that's pretty common amongst necrophiles, they start with cunnilingus.

ED LARSON

Okay, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. They just bury their fucking faces right in there.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Why do I feel like I'd end with cunnilingus?

MARCUS PARKS

You'd end with cunnilingus?

ED LARSON

Because it's already filled with your cum.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well it depends on what you do with it. Ugh.

ED LARSON

So you would end it in cunnilingus.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Do you not feel that cunnilingus is a more intimate exercise than just penetrative sex?

MARCUS PARKS

I feel like it is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what I'm saying.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I feel like just going nose deep into a fucking dead woman's corpse, into her vagina, is more intense than fucking.

MARCUS PARKS

I think so.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Touching boobies is probably the first way, then more.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, you start with that.

ED LARSON

I imagine that's where everyone goes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, I like to bathe my corpse-

ED LARSON

If they left me alone.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, I like to bathe her in milk and I brush her hair and then I play the violin for a couple hours.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. You'd be like an Egyptian.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. I will dispel a rumor. There was a rumor going around that ancient Egyptians used to have a ritual to keep the embalmers from having sex with the dead.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

They would just make sure like okay, let him decompose for a few days before you really let the embalmers around him because sometimes they'll fuck the dead. But that's not true.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's like having, yeah, a creepy uncle.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Where you're like don't let the kids near Uncle Peter but he's hilarious.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

Yeah, they used to fuck the cats.

MARCUS PARKS

The Egyptians, you're saying. I don't think they ever fucked the cats.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sidestorieslpotl@gmail.com. Did Ancient Egyptians fuck cats?

MARCUS PARKS

Any of our egyptologists out there.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They worshiped them. I know they worshiped them.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But I don't know if they fucked them.

MARCUS PARKS

I don't know if we can tell. I don't know if it's in any hieroglyphics out there.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We'll find out.

MARCUS PARKS

Another witness said that Savile would brag about stealing glass eyes from corpses. And while showing them off, he would say quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"You know what they are? They're glass eyes from dead bodies in Leeds. I wheel the bodies around at night and I love that."

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And he says these things and I guess I feel like people thought at the time, I mean it's extreme, he's talking about mutilating corpses and stuff.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

So you think like oh, Jimmy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's always oh, Jimmy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You're funny as hell. Oh you're being cheeky, innit? And then he just might not have been.

MARCUS PARKS

And he got away with it completely scot free.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

It didn't come out until after he died.

ED LARSON

Yeah. He passed it all down to Jimmy Carr.

MARCUS PARKS

Ugh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ugh.

MARCUS PARKS

We stayed at the same hotel as him once and he looked very perturbed the entire time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He looked very upset.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

I've hung out with him a bunch, he's all right.

MARCUS PARKS

8 Out of 10 Cats is a good show.

ED LARSON

I never saw it.

MARCUS PARKS

It's in England, it's like a panel show. It's quite fun.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Is it about cats or...?

MARCUS PARKS

No, it's a whole panel, it's one of those panel shows where all the Brits have fun.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, sure. And they're like (unintelligible nonsense).

MARCUS PARKS

It's exactly like that, yeah. But after all that, we finally arrive at class eight.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah dude.

MARCUS PARKS

This is where we find our classic necrophiles, those who actually have sex with corpses but don't kill to obtain the bodies they copulate with.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Literally we're in an hour and change into the episode and we just got to fucking a corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

It is a rainbow! I'm telling ya.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I know. This is the indigo.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. They do however go to great lengths to obtain these corpses which separates them from class sevens. One class eight admitted that he would attend funerals and pose as a mourner so he could get a good look at the corpse to make sure that she was quote unquote "worth digging up later".

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's very Mr. Bean-y.

MARCUS PARKS

But the necrophile who has the most famous quote attached to him is yet another Frenchman named Henri Blot, AKA the vampire of Saint-Ouen. Now Blot, a young Parisian waiter by day, wasn't actually that prolific because he got caught after only his second corpse. But Blot became famous for what he said in court after the judge expressed his horror concerning Blot's actions. From records, Blot said "Que voulez-vous, chacun a ses passions. Moi le cadavre, c'est la mienne!" Translated to English in which Henri sounds much different, that means:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"What do you want? We all have different desires. Mine's corpses!" Sue me!

ED LARSON

Henri turned into Henry.

MARCUS PARKS

Another more prolific necrophile, yet again French, was Victor Ardisson, the vampire of Muy, who was captured in 1901. Perhaps the most disgusting necrophile we'll cover today, buckle in on this one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is saying a lot.

ED LARSON

So this is the worst.

MARCUS PARKS

This is the worst, yeah.

ED LARSON

Okay, cool.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's close to it. I'd still... There's a couple...

MARCUS PARKS

This one I would say. Well I'll refresh your memory on this guy.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

And I think by the time we get to the end, you may agree with me that this one is the grossest one.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'm not fighting.

MARCUS PARKS

Well perhaps the most disgusting necrophile we'll cover today, Victor was aroused by a number of paraphilias including kids, incest, blood drinking, and particularly big urine fan.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh it should be the vampire of pee.

MARCUS PARKS

Instead of Muy. Vampire of pee. It's very good. It's very, very good. Supposedly when he was a young boy, he would lick the urine from the toilet seats of his classmates while masturbating in full view of anyone who cared to watch.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Vampire of pee.

MARCUS PARKS

He also drank his own semen after masturbation, saying quote:

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

"It's a pity to let it go to waste." Not a charmer in the bunch.

ED LARSON

In France though they use semen as coffee cream.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That is true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They make it into cheese.

MARCUS PARKS

Now in 1882, the town grave digger died and since there were only four or five burials a month in Victor's town, it wasn't a well paying job. That's why it went to Victor Ardisson's stepfather, Honoré Ardisson. And Honoré often took Victor, then ten years old, out on the job. Years later though after Honoré had a frightful experience in which he fell into a grave, injured his foot, and couldn't get out, the town decided to give the job to the local deviant, Victor Ardisson.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I'll do it!

ED LARSON

Fine.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Thank you!

MARCUS PARKS

He'd grown in the profession, he'd been going out with his father for years.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I love to do it!

MARCUS PARKS

And over the next few years, Victor would violate over 100 corpses. Now Victor did have some aspects of a romantic necrophile, as he would often talk to the corpses he had sex with and would be genuinely upset when they didn't talk back.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't act like I am not talking to you! That's why it's so much fun. Just you're in the cemetery just like...

MARCUS PARKS

He also became a bit of a cemetery pest, asking mourners from what disease the recently deceased had died. He didn't want to catch anything.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He's curious.

ED LARSON

So far the most responsible of the bunch.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, he's just asking questions.

MARCUS PARKS

More than anything though, Victor was also a horrific necro-mutilo maniac. In one case, he dug up the recently deceased corpse of a 13 year old girl. But upon finding her body too heavy to carry back home, he detached the head with the help of a pocket knife and kept the head at his stepfather's house.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is a part of the things they don't talk about with, I think we talk a little bit with the series and on the book with Ed Gein about how physically strong you kind of have to be to be a grave robber.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's really difficult.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He needed to do some like deadlifts.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean, carrying 100 lbs of dead weight is really difficult.

ED LARSON

Yeah. They were all deadlifts.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. The first ones.

MARCUS PARKS

Well he then kept the head for kissing purposes until it putrefied and neighbors began to complain of the smell.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Sorry, it's my girlfriend. She's from France.

MARCUS PARKS

In his most disgusting venture, and this is where I think he gets put on top, Victor disinterred the corpse of a toddler and used it for so-called oral sex until the body completely putrefied into goo. According to Victor, he was hoping that he would bring the corpse back to life by having sex with it. But this corpse was also the one that got Victor caught.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't think it's good.

MARCUS PARKS

No. Since he couldn't bear to get rid of the toddler's corpse, he kept it in the attic and neighbors began to complain of the smell. For some reason though, Honoré, Victor's stepfather, was also keeping garbage in the attic. So he assumed that was the source of the odor.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah but a rotting toddler, not that I know, but I don't think it smells like garbage.

MARCUS PARKS

No, it smells like any other thing. Anything, any kind of rotting flesh.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But when he entered the attic to remove said garbage at the urging of his neighbors, he discovered the remains of the toddler lying on a straw bed that Victor had made himself. Honoré did not however immediately recognize the small pile of putrefying flesh as a corpse. Since the attic was dark, Honoré assumed that the corpse was some kind of animal. So he struck it with a shovel and splattered the remains all over the room and himself.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You gotta check that.

ED LARSON

This poor old man.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No. I mean why is he keeping garbage in the attic?

ED LARSON

He doesn't know anything. I'm just surprised he can still get upstairs.

MARCUS PARKS

I mean he wasn't that old, he was in his 50s.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But just randomly whacking something with a shovel.

MARCUS PARKS

And also Victor Ardisson, he wasn't born in a vacuum. He came from a long line of psychopaths and deviants.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, everyone's fucked.

MARCUS PARKS

All of the Ardisson's were fucked up.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They're hoarding garbage.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, they're hoarding garbage in the attic. And this is in the days when garbage is just rotting shit.

ED LARSON

Yeah, it's just fish heads and shit.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But once Honoré realized what it was that he had thwacked with the shovel, he reported it to the authorities and Victor was placed under arrest. And to my previous point, it was soon discovered that the vampire of Muy had no sense of taste or smell.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I mean I could tell by his shirt.

MARCUS PARKS

He also showed no sign of remorse or regret, although he did promise to never have sex with a dead body ever again.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I promise! And that's as good as jail.

MARCUS PARKS

That promise however was not good enough. Victor Ardisson was sentenced to life in a psychiatric hospital where he died in 1944 aged 71 years old, 43 years after he was captured.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Man, never had a boring time in the lunchroom.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's for certain. Any time you sat by him, he had something horrible to say. Yeah, so far he's bad.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he's in institutions. I mean he's kind of like how Ed Gein was.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

After Gein was captured he lived for another 30 years in an institution.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Actually did I ever tell you that I had a listener that sent an email, we were talking about that.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Who had worked with Ed Gein, whose family, I believe father was working with him as one of the mental asylum like assistants.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. And he was apparently very sweet.

MARCUS PARKS

Everyone said he was a model, Ed Gein was like the sweetest guy around again.

ED LARSON

He loved his mama.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah he did.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah he did. Again, he loved her too much.

MARCUS PARKS

He never fucked his mother. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was inside of her tits. I think it's enough.

MARCUS PARKS

He never dug up his mother! I've told you this like dozens of times. He never dug up his mother.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I won't. I'm letting him get in there.

MARCUS PARKS

Ever! He was too afraid of her.

ED LARSON

So he never buried her.

MARCUS PARKS

No, she was buried.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, she was interred. He would then go after people that looked like his mother.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He dug up the grave next to his mother.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

And many more besides that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

The women he killed kind of looked like her.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Like a gentleman.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Now it's easy to see how Victor Ardisson could have made the jump from necrophilia to murder. And that brings us to class nine, the type of necrophile that we're all most familiar with. These are the homicidal necrophiles. Your Bundys, your Dahmers, and such and such.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And they look down on the other classes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah because these guys are baking their own bread.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like I make opportunities for myself.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But for an example of this type, we're gonna go for a lesser known criminal from the UK named David Fuller.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See I put him near the top of like the idea of your full necrophiliac, right. Like he is fully into necrophilia and also he is a murderer. But those are kind of like he started with murder.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then just was like this is a lot for me, I just like these fucking, I just gotta get these corpses. And I will say like it's gotta be a lot to see yourself. There was a documentary called Monster in the Morgue: David Fuller and there's a lot of like footage of him and kind of what he was talking about. And just that poster of like you never wanna find yourself on a poster for a movie.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Where it's you outside of a morgue like with a smile on. Because nothing happened good.

MARCUS PARKS

No.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But yeah, you didn't get the Heisman. You know what I mean? If you're the monster of the morgue.

ED LARSON

Well it sounds like he did get the Heisman of killing.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just having sex with corpses.

MARCUS PARKS

Now while David did kill two women in 1987 in separate attacks in their homes to do with the bodies what he would, he wasn't caught for the crimes until the year 2020 when DNA finally matched him to the crime scene. I think it was one of those, wasn't it one of those sort of like 23andMe, kind of like how they caught the original Night Stalker.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes, that's how they got him.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. When police searched his home computer though, they found a massive trove of images that capture his many crimes against the dead.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

See Fuller had access to the local hospital morgue.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He was an electrician.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. And his hard drive was filled with over 4 million images of obscene and illegal acts, including thousands of pictures of him performing sexual offenses on corpses ranging in ages from 9-100.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And they try to get him, he was married uh multiple times. He was married, he cheated on his wife which is also really interesting because I also think like that's one of his biggest crimes is adultery.

ED LARSON

Amen.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Because think about that, you can't even stay loyal to your wife and you're also fucking multiple corpses?

MARCUS PARKS

Faithful married men, all three here.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yes, that's right. That's right.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's what keeps us, that's what makes us hold the line. But he hid his hard drives filled with this stuff in a, like he had a desk, it was against a wall and he carved a hole in the wall. So the hard drives would go, they were in a pocket, they were put behind a desk and the hard drives would go up against the thing. They finally went in, they talked to his family, fully kind of like quote unquote "normal" life. He would do all the stuff but it wasn't just... It was pedophilia, beastiality.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Oh yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was all of it in one go. He was busy.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

He was sending it to Bin Laden.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Let's just go ahead and say yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes he was. David also kept meticulous records of each victim, detailing the name and age of each one, which helped police identify no less than 80 victims.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See one of the worst parts of them trying to identify everything is that you basically had to watch the video of him fucking a corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then you had to try to capture, like this is what the cops are talking about, when the camera would catch a toe tag or catch an identifying mark. Because he also knew, it was a lot of like on his face, like (moaning) I'm about to arrive! And then back to corpse. It wasn't great cinematography.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it wasn't good.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It was more like a found footage film.

MARCUS PARKS

It was for him.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well they asked him. They're like why did you film this? And he sat and he was like I don't know.

ED LARSON

I'm sure those cops saved a lot on lunch that year.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys wanna get another Sweetgreens? Oh. Ugh.

MARCUS PARKS

Ironically though, Fuller was able to carry on his photography hobby for so long because he knew which parts of the morgue were covered by CCTV and which ones weren't. So he was able to continue taking pictures of himself committing unspeakable acts on corpses just so long as he stayed out of the sight of the hospital's cameras. But when it comes to being a little too on the nose, David Fuller was also the quote unquote "unofficial photographer" for the UK band Cutting Crew in the mid 80s. Now David followed Cutting Crew on tour with his wife, which is strange considering how they were a one hit wonder. But that number one spoke to David in a way that say Rock Me, Amadeus, Two of Hearts, or any other 1986 hit could. This is David's song. (I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight by Cutting Crew plays)

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's such hack bullshit.

MARCUS PARKS

(singing) I just died in your arms tonight!

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(singing) Walk away!

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Have you seen the video for this?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, it's great.

ED LARSON

Do you think he's in... Because the video is just them photographing the band.

MARCUS PARKS

The video was shot in Australia.

ED LARSON

Oh okay, okay.

MARCUS PARKS

I checked. Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Why that song?

MARCUS PARKS

I just died in your arms.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, sure.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, he liked that.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But they died hours ago. You know what I mean?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, I know. I think he just liked someone dying in someone's arms and it being romantic. (singing) Must have been something you said!

ED LARSON

I should have walked away.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Whoa. Guilt.

MARCUS PARKS

Guilt, guilt. Now after class nines you have the final category, the class 10. That is the exclusive necrophile. Which that's actually the name of the magazine, it's not Angel Lust.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh that's good. Exclusive Necrophile.

MARCUS PARKS

Exclusive Necrophile. That's the kind that can't have any sexual experience with the living and must exclusively use the dead for their sexual needs.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's a gold star necrophile.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, these are the rarest. This is your Andrei Chikatilos.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

The Red Ripper. Yeah. He's a class ten.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

He literally couldn't get hard unless they were dead.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

You should read the book, I wrote a whole chapter on it.

ED LARSON

I like the coloring book.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Then they come in and be like I paint all these little uteruses pink, right?

MARCUS PARKS

But instead of covering Chikatilo yet again, if you want to know about Chikatilo you can go read The Last Book on the Left, wrote a whole chapter about it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, we don't need to cover Chikatilo again.

MARCUS PARKS

We don't. I put that man behind me. We thought that we'd leave you with one of the nicer necrophilia stories, relatively speaking.

ED LARSON

Okay.

MARCUS PARKS

We're gonna go all the way back to class two, the romantic necrophiles, for the story of Carl Tänzler.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

This is again, if you think you're in love, I don't know if you are.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Tänzler is a very necrophiliac last name.

MARCUS PARKS

It really is.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well his real name is Carl von, that's what he was known as, Carl von Cosel.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah. Well Tänzler was like his American name because he was German, he was a German immigrant. He was a radiologist in his mid 50s, he'd immigrated to Florida, set up in Key West.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

A lot of Germans moved to Florida.

ED LARSON

Yeah, there's so many extra people in Key West. People just disappear all the time.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

Well this was back in 1931.

ED LARSON

Oh so he knew Hemingway.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah! I bet him and Hemingway-

ED LARSON

They definitely got hammered one night.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Best buddies.

ED LARSON

(slurring) So how many toes does your cat have?

MARCUS PARKS

Well he began working at a local tuberculosis ward. And it was there that he became obsessed with a 22 year old Cuban tuberculosis patient named Maria Elena Milagro de Hoyos. Tänzler had arrived in America five years earlier with his family. They had settled in Zephyrhills. Do you know Zephyrhills?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah!

ED LARSON

It's the spring water.

MARCUS PARKS

Oh cool.

ED LARSON

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But don't buy the Zephyrhills spring water.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Don't.

ED LARSON

It's Nestle brand. Nestle owns it. They're just stealing the water and selling it back to us, those fucking sons of bitches. Ruining the good name of Zephyr Hills along with Tänzler.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well he's not helping.

MARCUS PARKS

But Tänzler soon left his wife and child behind to romantically pursue the young dying Cuban. Now there's no word on Elena's feelings concerning any of this but we do know that Tänzler showered her with jewelry, clothing, and affection for 18 months until she finally succumbed to tuberculosis.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Please, will you please stop giving me necklaces and bring me medicine? I do not need more chocolate, what I need is medicine. (coughing) I do not know why you keep doing this.

MARCUS PARKS

Death however did not end Tänzler's obsession.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Finally.

MARCUS PARKS

Using his own money, Tänzler built a massive mausoleum for Elena de Hoyos and preserved her body in formaldehyde. For the next two years he visited her corpse to talk to it and even went so far as to install a working telephone in the mausoleum to complete the fantasy that she might one day call back.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Now this is not that bad yet.

ED LARSON

Can I ask a question?

MARCUS PARKS

Sure.

ED LARSON

So was she like a big jar?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Like a jar of formaldehyde?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARCUS PARKS

No, she wasn't in a big jar.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

She wasn't?

MARCUS PARKS

No.

ED LARSON

They just filled the coffin with formaldehyde?

MARCUS PARKS

I think he just dabbed her with formaldehyde.

ED LARSON

Oh okay.

MARCUS PARKS

I actually don't know for sure.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, I don't know.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. But I don't think it was in a big jar. It wasn't like (knocking) honey?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Either way, she wasn't in there long.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well she was in there for two years.

ED LARSON

God, it's so hot down there too.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah man.

MARCUS PARKS

Inside an unventilated mausoleum in Key West.

ED LARSON

Oh my god!

MARCUS PARKS

And he went there almost every day.

ED LARSON

Ugh.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well maybe that's why he finally decided to cut the commute and he brought the body to his own home. The corpse though had decomposed past the point of recognition because it's fucking Florida, bodies decompose fast in Florida.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah, buddy.

ED LARSON

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And if you look at her too, wow. You look at her.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Beautiful makeup job.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Well Tänzler effectively restored the body. Using piano wire and coat hangers to keep the corpse's bones together, Tänzler also gave it glass eyes and a wig.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) Ah, there you are. Your curls are restored once again!

MARCUS PARKS

The rotted skin was replaced with silk and the putrefied organs were removed and replaced with rags. The pièce de résistance was a paper tube that replaced the vagina so Tänzler could have sex with the corpse.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I don't know. If these paper straws are anything like that tube... You might as well. I mean like who cares about the turtles?

MARCUS PARKS

I would imagine he would have to replace it with fair regularity.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Ah, I see it this whole time of the month.

MARCUS PARKS

Well this went on for seven years until Elena's sister finally discovered what Tänzler had been doing to Elena's corpse. The sister reported Tänzler to the police and the body was buried in an unmarked grave while Tänzler was in jail, all so he could never find and disturb the body ever again. This however didn't stop the fantasy. Tänzler replaced the corpse with a life size doll replica of Elena using her death mask and he lived with it until his death in 1952.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's not bad.

ED LARSON

See that's what they all should be doing. He seems like the most tame of everybody.

MARCUS PARKS

Well I mean he did steal and defile the corpse of a woman who may or may not have been extremely annoyed with his constant advances.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We don't know.

ED LARSON

I didn't say he was great.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Again, not a charmer.

MARCUS PARKS

That's why I said relatively. It's relatively sweet. It's definitely sweet compared to the guy who ripped his mother's guts out through her abdominal wall.

ED LARSON

Absolutely.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Actually I understand that too in a way.

MARCUS PARKS

In a way?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Just he's gotta be sad.

MARCUS PARKS

He is sad. Well let's leave you with the seemingly romantic words of Carl Tänzler which show the depths of his madness.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

(German accent) "Long I lay thus, holding her closely to me. The living and the dead united in love. The sweetness of this was divine. Never had I dreamt that she had preserved so sweet and intense a love for me after being in the grave for so long. Was it possible? I could hardly grasp or believe it. But here was the undeniable evidence. Life and death united together, eye to eye." Cool.

ED LARSON

Hell yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah man. You gotta write something Julie now.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Meet you at Sloppy Joe's.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

How I love your boobies and the way I get access to them. Wow.

MARCUS PARKS

Yep, that's necrophilia.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Good work, man.

MARCUS PARKS

Thanks.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I was really excited about this topic, I think we really did it.

MARCUS PARKS

I think we did it.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Like you mentioned it to me yesterday and I felt the same way, I am pleasantly not that upset.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, right?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You know what it is? Again, we talked about this. I don't care what you do to my corpse.

ED LARSON

A body is trash when you're done with it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

But then it's just more like then you gotta deal with that guy.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Like it's the guy-

MARCUS PARKS

It's not behavior you want to encourage. I think that's the thing about the law is that we don't want guys having sex with corpses in a society in general.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

we just don't want it.

MARCUS PARKS

We just don't want that to happen.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah because I don't mind. Again, I believe that we are over policed.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And we are over punished. But I think that in this case they might need to make an example out of some of these guys.

MARCUS PARKS

It needs to be discouraged.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Discouraged.

MARCUS PARKS

It needs to be greatly discouraged.

ED LARSON

If you were gonna do it, do it in Oklahoma where it is legal.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They need to be sprayed, you know how you keep a cat? You get the spray.

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

You gotta put lemon juice on the corpse or something. Something he's not gonna be into. Spray with Axe body spray, make it not smell like a corpse.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

ED LARSON

Yeah. Well maybe yeah, some of them do have a sense of smell and they like the smell of death.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

They do. Some of them do.

MARCUS PARKS

I'm sure some of them very much do.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. That's what what's her name, Greenlee talked about how she liked the smell of the corpse. And she only liked it when the fucking blood was coming out of the mouth, that was her version of cumming.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well I'm glad we leave it like that. Now we have a lot of shit coming down the fucking pipe. Next week we're going to announce our new brand of coffee. It's fucking tasty. I made it for my mother this morning and she straight up said Henry Thomas, I gotta say this is very delicious coffee. And then she proceeded to put four Sweet'N Lows in it. And so she did. But she did originally taste it.

MARCUS PARKS

Yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And it was very, very good. I'm very excited.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah, we're not coffee snobs here. You can have your coffee however you like.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Oh yeah. But you know, I like it just with milk.

ED LARSON

Should we really be advertising food right now?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's coffee.

MARCUS PARKS

Coffee is very food safe.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, it's not like it's Last Podcast on the Left stroganoff. You know what I mean? That would be a difficult sell. Jarred stroganoff.

ED LARSON

I think it'd be good to hide a body in a bunch of coffee beans.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. In coffee grounds?

ED LARSON

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

I actually think that's a great idea.

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Well let's ask Colombia.

ED LARSON

Yeah, say how much how much coffee do you have for sale?

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

10 million lbs. But then we also have Operation Sunshine. It is now out. It is released next week, Operation Sunshine #2 is going to come out to your local comic book store. Go and check it out.

MARCUS PARKS

Go check it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

And then we just reminded everyone we are for certain coming to Australia next summer.

ED LARSON

Fuck yes.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

We're gonna figure out what that is. I don't know what it is. But that's just the beginning of a bunch of new shit. Very, very excited. What the fuck else?

MARCUS PARKS

Yeah. Just all kinds of cool shit going on.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Streams!

MARCUS PARKS

Don't forget to go to twitch.tv/lpntv.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Twitch.com/lpntv.

MARCUS PARKS

We have a new address for our Twitch channel, it's twitch.tv/lpntv.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. And we got No Dogs in Space every other Monday. GUD PUD is coming back, we're gonna do another GUD PUD right before we leave for our little Thanksgiving break, November 16th.

MARCUS PARKS

And starting this week the Last Stream on the Left is gonna be moving times.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

So if you out there on the east coast or beyond, if the last time was too late for you, we're now gonna be doing it at 6pm PST.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

9pm EST.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

That's our new live.

MARCUS PARKS

I imagine we're gonna have a lot more people watching it live. Go join our Patreon if you wanna watch that live. It's a good time, there's a bunch of people in the chat. It's a lot more fun interacting with people live. So come on out, check it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

It's fun as hell, come see the shows.

ED LARSON

That's right. And you can watch us do the episode on Patreon as well.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes. You'll see all the videos of us slapping around and fucking around, being fucking big idiots and shit.

ED LARSON

Every other Wednesday The Brighter Side on LPN TV.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yes.

ED LARSON

And I'll be in Brea on November 17th & 18th opening for Jeff Ross, so come check it out. I'm doing a nice healthy set. So come check it out.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah. Is that the Brea Improv?

ED LARSON

Yes.

MARCUS PARKS

The Brea Improv.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Yeah, go check it out, man.

ED LARSON

I don't think they do comedy anywhere else in Brea.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

No, no, no. The rest of it's just angry people about the vaccine. Well hail Satan!

MARCUS PARKS

Hail Gein.

ED LARSON

And I love all of you.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

Hail me.

ED LARSON

Especially the ones that have sex with dead people.

HENRY ZEBROWSKI

See? We're looking at you, volunteer firemen we're looking at you!